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	<title>Comments on: In Some Ways It is Vietnam Again (The Liberals Still Have Not Learned)</title>
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		<title>By: CCSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank W. Franklin for his service in Vietnam. When the people fail to believe in a just and noble cause it is because their leaders have failed them. Somewhere the leaders of this cause have failed to convince Mr. Franklin of how the outcome is right for the soul of man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank W. Franklin for his service in Vietnam. When the people fail to believe in a just and noble cause it is because their leaders have failed them. Somewhere the leaders of this cause have failed to convince Mr. Franklin of how the outcome is right for the soul of man.</p>
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		<title>By: JDGrove</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDGrove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Response to the posting by  &quot;W. Franklin&quot;

First, it is apparent from your posting that English is not your first language, so I question the validity of your comments, as you are clearly a foreign born anti-american partisan. Hey...Allah Akbar. 

You present broad conclusions that say more about your borderline mental state than they say about reality. 

Your harping on Bush, and the &quot;oedipal problem&quot; comment, are merely argumentum ad hominem. (Look it up...Ahmed). You&#039;re not going to pursuade anyone that way.

The middle-east never had the benefit of an Age of Reason, so I can understand that you have problems creating a logical argument, but keep trying. Maybe you&#039;ll eventually become a reasonable person. 

What is this about &quot;non-water based presence in the central middle east for further force projecton.&quot; And you know this how???

What are you talking about &quot;corporate marketing...unfounded fears.&quot; Did you see the towers fall first hand??? Did you feel the ground shake? Did you know anyone killed on 9-11? So you can &quot;shut your damned mouth&quot; about terror.

You say &quot;&#039;In politics stupidity is not a handicap&#039;, which in the case of this blog, quite apparent.&quot; A prime example of self-fulfilling prophecy. 

Thank God that George Bush has had the strength of character to bring the war to the middle east, and not have to fight it here!!! 
Thank God that the Islamo-fascists have a venue OUTSIDE THE US to exercise their choice of suicide. 

Today Iraq, tomorrow Iran!!! 

PS. The wiretaps are legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Response to the posting by  &#034;W. Franklin&#034;</p>
<p>First, it is apparent from your posting that English is not your first language, so I question the validity of your comments, as you are clearly a foreign born anti-american partisan. Hey&#8230;Allah Akbar. </p>
<p>You present broad conclusions that say more about your borderline mental state than they say about reality. </p>
<p>Your harping on Bush, and the &#034;oedipal problem&#034; comment, are merely argumentum ad hominem. (Look it up&#8230;Ahmed). You&#039;re not going to pursuade anyone that way.</p>
<p>The middle-east never had the benefit of an Age of Reason, so I can understand that you have problems creating a logical argument, but keep trying. Maybe you&#039;ll eventually become a reasonable person. </p>
<p>What is this about &#034;non-water based presence in the central middle east for further force projecton.&#034; And you know this how???</p>
<p>What are you talking about &#034;corporate marketing&#8230;unfounded fears.&#034; Did you see the towers fall first hand??? Did you feel the ground shake? Did you know anyone killed on 9-11? So you can &#034;shut your damned mouth&#034; about terror.</p>
<p>You say &#034;&#039;In politics stupidity is not a handicap&#039;, which in the case of this blog, quite apparent.&#034; A prime example of self-fulfilling prophecy. </p>
<p>Thank God that George Bush has had the strength of character to bring the war to the middle east, and not have to fight it here!!!<br />
Thank God that the Islamo-fascists have a venue OUTSIDE THE US to exercise their choice of suicide. </p>
<p>Today Iraq, tomorrow Iran!!! </p>
<p>PS. The wiretaps are legal.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Bright</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Franklin, 

If I were a Marxist history professor I would give you an &quot;A&quot; for your diatribe. Let me expand. You&#039;ve included a unique theory of a Bush &quot;Oedipal&quot; justification for war. Apparently &quot;W&quot; wanted to knock off Saddam because of sexual fellings for Barbara? You&#039;ve included the esteemed intellectual Michael Moore&#039;s preposterous assertion that there is no terrorist threat and therefore no war on terror. You&#039;ve implicated Nixon and Kissinger for culpability for Vietnam but make no mention of Kennedy or the escalation under LBJ. You&#039;ve included the terms &quot;corporate marketing,&quot; &quot;exploitation of resources&quot; and &quot;neocon.&quot; No anti-American screed should lack these. In addition you tell detractors to keep their damn mouths shut and finish the rant with the obligatory mention of chickenhawks. Your work is not particularly original (we on the Left disdain original thinking), outside the Oedipus Theory, and its rigid adherence to &quot;progressive&quot; myth and nomenclature is laudable. So laudable in fact, that I&#039;m going to recommend you for a scholarship in the John Kerry School of International Studies. Our Dean of Admissions Ramsey Clark and our Department Chair Noam Chomsky will be sending a congratulatory letter in the next few weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Franklin, </p>
<p>If I were a Marxist history professor I would give you an &#034;A&#034; for your diatribe. Let me expand. You&#039;ve included a unique theory of a Bush &#034;Oedipal&#034; justification for war. Apparently &#034;W&#034; wanted to knock off Saddam because of sexual fellings for Barbara? You&#039;ve included the esteemed intellectual Michael Moore&#039;s preposterous assertion that there is no terrorist threat and therefore no war on terror. You&#039;ve implicated Nixon and Kissinger for culpability for Vietnam but make no mention of Kennedy or the escalation under LBJ. You&#039;ve included the terms &#034;corporate marketing,&#034; &#034;exploitation of resources&#034; and &#034;neocon.&#034; No anti-American screed should lack these. In addition you tell detractors to keep their damn mouths shut and finish the rant with the obligatory mention of chickenhawks. Your work is not particularly original (we on the Left disdain original thinking), outside the Oedipus Theory, and its rigid adherence to &#034;progressive&#034; myth and nomenclature is laudable. So laudable in fact, that I&#039;m going to recommend you for a scholarship in the John Kerry School of International Studies. Our Dean of Admissions Ramsey Clark and our Department Chair Noam Chomsky will be sending a congratulatory letter in the next few weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: W. Franklin</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/01/11/in-some-ways-it-is-vietnam-again-the-liberals-still-have-not-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>W. Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraq was, like it or not, an independent country, which the US, in violation of written,
unwritten and moral and natural law, invaded without reason, save Bush&#039;s oedipal
problems. There was no central reason for invade it, at all - again except for the
desire of the neocons to have a non-water based presence in the central middle
east for further force projecton.  The entire enterprise was sold with typical corporate
marketing, spin and lies, drumming up and playing excuse after excuse after
excuse, all driven  by unfounded fears about a &quot;war on terror&quot; which does not
exist.  

The US placed itself in harms way, supported right wing dictators, exploited
the resources of other countries for over a century, and somehow there was
not be resentment and asymetrical warfare?  Ball was correct. In Vietnam,
I was there three years so shut your damned mouth unless you were there
longer and had your eyes fully open, the US only needed to declared 
victory and leave!  But, Nixon and Kissinger found its extension until 
1975 conventient first for Nixon&#039;s 1972 re-election, just as Bush found
Iraq, a conventiently manufactured threat, to win midterm 2002 and
the 2004 elections from a population too stupid to understand the scam.

We did not lose VN.  It was not ours to lose.  We gave ourselves a bloody
nose, not the VN. As Napoleon said, and consonant with Occam&#039;s Razor,
&quot;Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by 
incompetence.&quot;  Napoleon Bonaparte .  Bonaparte also said:  &quot;In politics 
stupidity is not a handicap&quot;, which in the case of  this blog, quite 
apparent.

Leave Iraq forthwith, now, without conditions and knowing that the
fools in charge of this watch spent blood and treasure wontonly and
foolishly because of the fear and stupidity of the People who allowed
a small clutch of ambitious and greedy people to take the reins without
some check on their recklessness and malign intent, then did nothing
about it from fear, which they spread as an excuse for anything not 
unlike chicken little via the ChickenHawks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq was, like it or not, an independent country, which the US, in violation of written,<br />
unwritten and moral and natural law, invaded without reason, save Bush&#039;s oedipal<br />
problems. There was no central reason for invade it, at all &#8211; again except for the<br />
desire of the neocons to have a non-water based presence in the central middle<br />
east for further force projecton.  The entire enterprise was sold with typical corporate<br />
marketing, spin and lies, drumming up and playing excuse after excuse after<br />
excuse, all driven  by unfounded fears about a &#034;war on terror&#034; which does not<br />
exist.  </p>
<p>The US placed itself in harms way, supported right wing dictators, exploited<br />
the resources of other countries for over a century, and somehow there was<br />
not be resentment and asymetrical warfare?  Ball was correct. In Vietnam,<br />
I was there three years so shut your damned mouth unless you were there<br />
longer and had your eyes fully open, the US only needed to declared<br />
victory and leave!  But, Nixon and Kissinger found its extension until<br />
1975 conventient first for Nixon&#039;s 1972 re-election, just as Bush found<br />
Iraq, a conventiently manufactured threat, to win midterm 2002 and<br />
the 2004 elections from a population too stupid to understand the scam.</p>
<p>We did not lose VN.  It was not ours to lose.  We gave ourselves a bloody<br />
nose, not the VN. As Napoleon said, and consonant with Occam&#039;s Razor,<br />
&#034;Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by<br />
incompetence.&#034;  Napoleon Bonaparte .  Bonaparte also said:  &#034;In politics<br />
stupidity is not a handicap&#034;, which in the case of  this blog, quite<br />
apparent.</p>
<p>Leave Iraq forthwith, now, without conditions and knowing that the<br />
fools in charge of this watch spent blood and treasure wontonly and<br />
foolishly because of the fear and stupidity of the People who allowed<br />
a small clutch of ambitious and greedy people to take the reins without<br />
some check on their recklessness and malign intent, then did nothing<br />
about it from fear, which they spread as an excuse for anything not<br />
unlike chicken little via the ChickenHawks.</p>
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		<title>By: G of Sedona</title>
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		<dc:creator>G of Sedona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“In Some Ways It is Vietnam Again (The Liberals Still Have Not Learned)”

This is not just “Vietnam Again”; it’s “WW-I Again”. In 1938, the Allies were so determined to avoid another World War, they would agree to anything. At the first sign of trouble, America retreated into its quintessential isolationism; women with signs reading, “Peace at Any Price” marched in its streets.
We may recall that the liberal isolationists who “have not learned” were just as against the United States’ forcing Saddam Hussein to live up to his disarmament agreements of 1991 as the Allies’ were in their failure to make Hitler live up to Germany’s disarmament agreements of 1919. (In true Farrakhanesque style, we’ve exchanged only two digits of the year.)
Now that we are in Iraq, the next logical step for the liberal isolationists who “have not learned” naturally is to agitate for America’s withdrawal. 
There just doesn&#039;t seem to be anything new under the sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In Some Ways It is Vietnam Again (The Liberals Still Have Not Learned)”</p>
<p>This is not just “Vietnam Again”; it’s “WW-I Again”. In 1938, the Allies were so determined to avoid another World War, they would agree to anything. At the first sign of trouble, America retreated into its quintessential isolationism; women with signs reading, “Peace at Any Price” marched in its streets.<br />
We may recall that the liberal isolationists who “have not learned” were just as against the United States’ forcing Saddam Hussein to live up to his disarmament agreements of 1991 as the Allies’ were in their failure to make Hitler live up to Germany’s disarmament agreements of 1919. (In true Farrakhanesque style, we’ve exchanged only two digits of the year.)<br />
Now that we are in Iraq, the next logical step for the liberal isolationists who “have not learned” naturally is to agitate for America’s withdrawal.<br />
There just doesn&#039;t seem to be anything new under the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Al of Alnot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al of Alnot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least this time we have an all volunteer and mostly professional Military to deal with. I lived the
 history of SEA. Our betrayal of our friends an allies will never be forgotton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least this time we have an all volunteer and mostly professional Military to deal with. I lived the<br />
 history of SEA. Our betrayal of our friends an allies will never be forgotton.</p>
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