Comments on: Librarians are Constitutional Experts Too? http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/03/01/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:03:26 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Malcontent http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/03/01/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/comment-page-1/#comment-890 Malcontent Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:02:43 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/#comment-890 My guess would be, that most librarians knew more about the so called, patriot act when the ALA made their statement, than congress did when they signed it into law. Everyone signed w/o reading it (except Russ), afraid(pussies) of being labeled unpatriotic if they didn't. I mean, how can you be against the patriot act? Orwellian doublespeak. (What kind of name is ibbleblibble, anyway?) ;o) Eric My guess would be, that most librarians knew more about the so called, patriot act when the ALA made their statement, than congress did when they signed it into law.

Everyone signed w/o reading it (except Russ), afraid(pussies) of being labeled unpatriotic if they didn't. I mean, how can you be against the patriot act?

Orwellian doublespeak.

(What kind of name is ibbleblibble, anyway?) ;o)

Eric

]]> By: ibbleblibble http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/03/01/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/comment-page-1/#comment-720 ibbleblibble Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:48:18 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/#comment-720 unconstitutional laws have been on the books before, and the constitution has actually sanctioned that whcih is morally repugnant (slavery). apparantly the ala, has researched the sickningly hypocritically named USA PATRIOT ACT better than most of the lawmakers on both sides of the ailse...kudos to all attempts to obfuscate this unconstitutional attempt to create a police state. unconstitutional laws have been on the books before, and the constitution has actually sanctioned that whcih is morally repugnant (slavery). apparantly the ala, has researched the sickningly hypocritically named USA PATRIOT ACT better than most of the lawmakers on both sides of the ailse…kudos to all attempts to obfuscate this unconstitutional attempt to create a police state.

]]> By: Shawn http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/03/01/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/comment-page-1/#comment-655 Shawn Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:42:33 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/#comment-655 Hmmm. The way it REALLY works is at the time the warrant is presented, it carries the force of law, and there isn't anything you can do to stop the search. Attempt to do so, and you will be arrested for obstructing justice. But and however, should you be arrested after a search because it presumably found something illegal, then you have discovery rights to whatever information the judge used to grant the warrant. Any decent lawyer knows this, and they have often used "illegal" searches to dismiss evidence found in those searches. These libraries seem to be challenging on the idea that these searches, as authorized by the Patriot Act, are illegal on their surface, whether the warrants are issued by a judge or not. There's nothing they can really do to stop the searches as they occur, and it would be the individual who is targeted by the search who would need to challenge the warrant, so I really think it's all about the ALA trying to make a statement more than anything else. Hmmm. The way it REALLY works is at the time the warrant is presented, it carries the force of law, and there isn't anything you can do to stop the search. Attempt to do so, and you will be arrested for obstructing justice. But and however, should you be arrested after a search because it presumably found something illegal, then you have discovery rights to whatever information the judge used to grant the warrant. Any decent lawyer knows this, and they have often used "illegal" searches to dismiss evidence found in those searches. These libraries seem to be challenging on the idea that these searches, as authorized by the Patriot Act, are illegal on their surface, whether the warrants are issued by a judge or not. There's nothing they can really do to stop the searches as they occur, and it would be the individual who is targeted by the search who would need to challenge the warrant, so I really think it's all about the ALA trying to make a statement more than anything else.

]]> By: Joe Doex http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/03/01/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/comment-page-1/#comment-653 Joe Doex Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:25:28 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/#comment-653 To Sedona you have no idea what you are talking about. Librarians have defied such orders and are quite proud about doing so. To Alex- if a policeman comes to your door with a search warrant how are you going to check if it is legal? That is a ludicrous comment to make. Are you goign to tell the policeman Uh wait a minute I have to review this call the judge who signed it and make sure he/she really did sign it? Where in the Constitution - try the 4th Amendment. Because if you refuse to comply with my search warrant I will arrest you for obstucting justice. The search warrant is a legally binding order just like every other piece of paper you accept as having powers. Oh and btw you probably don't know this buth sometimes a cop doesn t even need a warrant. If you are either a very ignorant person or a fool. What is your ulterior motive? To Sedona you have no idea what you are talking about. Librarians have defied such orders and are quite proud about doing so.

To Alex- if a policeman comes to your door with a search warrant how are you going to check if it is legal? That is a ludicrous comment to make. Are you goign to tell the policeman Uh wait a minute I have to review this call the judge who signed it and make sure he/she really did sign it?

Where in the Constitution – try the 4th Amendment. Because if you refuse to comply with my search warrant I will arrest you for obstucting justice. The search warrant is a legally binding order just like every other piece of paper you accept as having powers.

Oh and btw you probably don't know this buth sometimes a cop doesn
t even need a warrant.

If you are either a very ignorant person or a fool.

What is your ulterior motive?

]]> By: alex http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/03/01/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/comment-page-1/#comment-646 alex Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:18:06 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/#comment-646 If a policeman comes to your door with a search warrant, you are also advised to check the warrant is legal. Where in the Constitution does it say I should blindly accept all the pieces of paper demanding certain powers over me that are thrust into my face? A librarian and a normal citizen have the same right (responsibility) to check they are not being taken advantage of. Any who would argue against this has an ulterior motive. If a policeman comes to your door with a search warrant, you are also advised to check the warrant is legal. Where in the Constitution does it say I should blindly accept all the pieces of paper demanding certain powers over me that are thrust into my face? A librarian and a normal citizen have the same right (responsibility) to check they are not being taken advantage of. Any who would argue against this has an ulterior motive.

]]> By: G of Sedona http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/03/01/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/comment-page-1/#comment-643 G of Sedona Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:39:24 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/librarians-are-constitutional-experts-too/#comment-643 This is nothing more than fantasizing by the ALA. Can anyone actually picture a librarian defying a federal (!) court order? This is nothing more than fantasizing by the ALA. Can anyone actually picture a librarian defying a federal (!) court order?

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