Comments on: Court Upholds Arizona County’s Use of Unique New Statute to Prosecute Illegal Immigrants http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:15:22 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: George Parigian Jr. http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-29225 George Parigian Jr. Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:47:50 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-29225 Everyone needs to realize what is really driving illegal immigration, or rather the decision of the federal government to allow it and not enforce our immigration laws. The Council On Foreign Relations which has tremendous influence over various government officials, wants "open borders" in 3 years as part of what they refer to as "North American Integration." This is a plan to integrate the US, Mexico, and Canada, econimically, and politically. It began with NAFTA and "open borders" is just another progression of their plan. If you doubt me, then read it on their own website: http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/ Everyone needs to realize what is really driving illegal immigration, or rather the decision of the federal government to allow it and not enforce our immigration laws. The Council On Foreign Relations which has tremendous influence over various government officials, wants "open borders" in 3 years as part of what they refer to as "North American Integration." This is a plan to integrate the US, Mexico, and Canada, econimically, and politically. It began with NAFTA and "open borders" is just another progression of their plan. If you doubt me, then read it on their own website:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/

]]> By: Todd South http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-20198 Todd South Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:56:11 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-20198 The "why now" can be explained as reaction to the inaction on the part of our executive branch. This administration continues to ignore the realities of its sworn oath to uphold the laws of the United States of America. Criminals, as defined by law, should be prosecuted and punished for their crimes. Personally, I'd rather see employers punished first, but if we are not a nation of laws, then it will all descend into anarchy at some state. Stop praying to God to solve this problem and start prosecuting and punishing criminals. The "why now" can be explained as reaction to the inaction on the part of our executive branch. This administration continues to ignore the realities of its sworn oath to uphold the laws of the United States of America. Criminals, as defined by law, should be prosecuted and punished for their crimes. Personally, I'd rather see employers punished first, but if we are not a nation of laws, then it will all descend into anarchy at some state.

Stop praying to God to solve this problem and start prosecuting and punishing criminals.

]]> By: tony petersen http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-15143 tony petersen Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:13:25 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-15143 the most ironic issue with the issue of sheriff arpaio and his grandstanding is why now.this issue has been going on in the region for some time now.i really find it hard to believe that we as anation are selling out what our country stands for.all to often all the hoopla is a decisive smoke screen created to divert what actually is really going on.we concentrate so much time and energy on terrorists from other nations we seem to ignore the ones from within our own borders.somehow joe has created almost what hitler tried.he has some good policies but the illegal ones that he ingages in are worse.his jails have operated on and against court orders thereby exhibiting the same behaviors as people here illegally with one great exception,most of the migrants that come here ,come for a belief in the american dream,joe is an official sworn to uphold the laws of maricopa,county and to protect the covenants of constitutional rights.we seem able to accept and desire prosecution for illegal immigration, if joe wants to live by the letter of the law fine,then to he needs to be prosecuted for his crimes against the united states.but yet the people of arizona dont really get it . we all i hope want a nation of more peace and harmony.but never does any society accomplish that by stomping on the impoverist.we have united states citizens being denied the basic rights guaranteed by the united states constitution. and worse yet not much is being done to correct the problems.hopefully we can somehow come together and even if we all never agree on certain things we will standfast and agree on the inalienable rights for what so many of our ancestors died and worked for.and maybe somehow someway this world becomes color blind and simple ; either your a good person or your a bad one;its time to choose.the events of 9/11 changed our inn0cence,and we can honor all from the halls of montezuma to the shores of tripoly with honor ,loyalty,and discipline-may the good join hands in the tradition of our band of brothers and sisters all across the land,the air ,the sea,and the heavens. thank you and god bless. the most ironic issue with the issue of sheriff arpaio and his grandstanding is why now.this issue has been going on in the region for some time now.i really find it hard to believe that we as anation are selling out what our country stands for.all to often all the hoopla is a decisive smoke screen created to divert what actually is really going on.we concentrate so much time and energy on terrorists from other nations we seem to ignore the ones from within our own borders.somehow joe has created almost what hitler tried.he has some good policies but the illegal ones that he ingages in are worse.his jails have operated on and against court orders thereby exhibiting the same behaviors as people here illegally with one great exception,most of the migrants that come here ,come for a belief in the american dream,joe is an official sworn to uphold the laws of maricopa,county and to protect the covenants of constitutional rights.we seem able to accept and desire prosecution for illegal immigration, if joe wants to live by the letter of the law fine,then to he needs to be prosecuted for his crimes against the united states.but yet the people of arizona dont really get it . we all i hope want a nation of more peace and harmony.but never does any society accomplish that by stomping on the impoverist.we have united states citizens being denied the basic rights guaranteed by the united states constitution. and worse yet not much is being done to correct the problems.hopefully we can somehow come together and even if we all never agree on certain things we will standfast and agree on the inalienable rights for what so many of our ancestors died and worked for.and maybe somehow someway this world becomes color blind and simple ; either your a good person or your a bad one;its time to choose.the events of 9/11 changed our inn0cence,and we can honor all from the halls of montezuma to the shores of tripoly with honor ,loyalty,and discipline-may the good join hands in the tradition of our band of brothers and sisters all across the land,the air ,the sea,and the heavens. thank you and god bless.

]]> By: DF Lickiss http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-13724 DF Lickiss Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:18:53 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-13724 “Immigration is first and foremost a federal-level problem, which affects the states. Therefore, states should not be encourage or even responsible for the federal court’s responsibility.” Dear MBF, Here I must strongly disagree with you. Ours is a federated union of sovereign states who have come together to create a single nation. The federal government is loaned certain powers by the independent and sovereign states. If the federal government can not or, as in the case of immigration, will not act to solve the problem then the states are perfectly justified in withdrawing that loan of power and acting on their own. I do not advocate the states randomly or merely for political reasons withdrawing their grant of authority but only when and if the federal government is unable or unwilling to act. The fact that you note that “Senator Domenici[‘s] … amendment…is doubtful that be added to the [immigration] bill” only strengthens the idea that local governments must act to protect the interests of the citizens in their jurisdiction. If your house is burning you don’t sit in the living room and wait for the fire department to save you. You get out and then try to fight the fire with what ever tools you have until they arrive. “Immigration is first and foremost a federal-level problem, which affects the states. Therefore, states should not be encourage or even responsible for the federal court’s responsibility.”

Dear MBF,
Here I must strongly disagree with you. Ours is a federated union of sovereign states who have come together to create a single nation. The federal government is loaned certain powers by the independent and sovereign states. If the federal government can not or, as in the case of immigration, will not act to solve the problem then the states are perfectly justified in withdrawing that loan of power and acting on their own. I do not advocate the states randomly or merely for political reasons withdrawing their grant of authority but only when and if the federal government is unable or unwilling to act.

The fact that you note that “Senator Domenici[‘s] … amendment…is doubtful that be added to the [immigration] bill” only strengthens the idea that local governments must act to protect the interests of the citizens in their jurisdiction. If your house is burning you don’t sit in the living room and wait for the fire department to save you. You get out and then try to fight the fire with what ever tools you have until they arrive.

]]> By: Tucson Resident http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-12074 Tucson Resident Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:31:38 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-12074 Go, Sheriff Joe! I've been a fan of Sheriff Joe's since I learned of his policies. I live west of Tucson in a very high illegal traffic area. All my neighbors and I are affected quite often by the sheer numbers of people traipsing through. They walk into our yards and want water, they sneak down our roads (rural area), and they steal our cars that are parked next to our houses. I think we should go four steps further. Make it completely subjective. Let's clear a mile swath against the border and mine it. Put all kinds of warning signs on the Mexican side in Spanish. The liberals would be delighted that we're spending so much less money on Border Patrol agents (though they may accuse us of murder). However, there are warnings on boxes of poison as well. The manufacturer of the poison shouldn't be accused of murder - clearly the person who ate it was suicidal. At least we should debate the possibility as though we're truly serious about closing the borders. Go, Sheriff Joe! I've been a fan of Sheriff Joe's since I learned of his policies. I live west of Tucson in a very high illegal traffic area. All my neighbors and I are affected quite often by the sheer numbers of people traipsing through. They walk into our yards and want water, they sneak down our roads (rural area), and they steal our cars that are parked next to our houses.

I think we should go four steps further. Make it completely subjective. Let's clear a mile swath against the border and mine it. Put all kinds of warning signs on the Mexican side in Spanish. The liberals would be delighted that we're spending so much less money on Border Patrol agents (though they may accuse us of murder). However, there are warnings on boxes of poison as well. The manufacturer of the poison shouldn't be accused of murder – clearly the person who ate it was suicidal. At least we should debate the possibility as though we're truly serious about closing the borders.

]]> By: MBF http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-11400 MBF Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:04:37 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-11400 This seems to me a mere political stunt in order to gain media attention in the limelight of the immigration debate. Arizona is not reinventing the wheel with this policy, but rather, is taking an established federal law and employing it at the state level. The argument can be made that the national government or Arizona’s United States Attorney’s Office is not doing enough. On the other hand, maybe the Arizona USAO has been doing their best while downing in immigration cases. For example, the New Mexico USAO will only prosecute immigration cases on the individual’s tenth offense because their extraordinary number of immigration-related cases. Most likely, the Arizona’s USAO has the same problem. States should deal with the immigration problems on the federal level. If a USAO is unable to prosecute the hoards of immigrations cases, then a larger allocation should be provided to the federal judiciary or additional magistrate courts to alleviate the immigration caseloads. Senator Domenici of New Mexico has proposed such an amendment to the immigration bill in Congress; however, it is doubtful that be added to the bill. Immigration is first and foremost a federal-level problem, which affects the states. Therefore, states should not be encourage or even responsible for the federal court’s responsibility. This seems to me a mere political stunt in order to gain media attention in the limelight of the immigration debate. Arizona is not reinventing the wheel with this policy, but rather, is taking an established federal law and employing it at the state level.
The argument can be made that the national government or Arizona’s United States Attorney’s Office is not doing enough. On the other hand, maybe the Arizona USAO has been doing their best while downing in immigration cases. For example, the New Mexico USAO will only prosecute immigration cases on the individual’s tenth offense because their extraordinary number of immigration-related cases. Most likely, the Arizona’s USAO has the same problem.
States should deal with the immigration problems on the federal level. If a USAO is unable to prosecute the hoards of immigrations cases, then a larger allocation should be provided to the federal judiciary or additional magistrate courts to alleviate the immigration caseloads. Senator Domenici of New Mexico has proposed such an amendment to the immigration bill in Congress; however, it is doubtful that be added to the bill. Immigration is first and foremost a federal-level problem, which affects the states. Therefore, states should not be encourage or even responsible for the federal court’s responsibility.

]]> By: Linda http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-10310 Linda Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:06:57 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-10310 Until Americans wake up to the fact that the President's plans are underway for the SPP, they are going to keep wondering why no "real " effort is being made to stop the 'INVASION'. When all the dots are connected , then, and only then, you will see an all out outcry from US citizens. Go to SPP.GOV Until Americans wake up to the fact that the President's plans are underway for the SPP, they are going to keep wondering why no "real " effort is being made to stop the 'INVASION'. When all the dots are connected , then, and only then, you will see an all out outcry from US citizens. Go to SPP.GOV

]]> By: Terry http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-9311 Terry Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:44:42 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-9311 This is probably the first effective attempt by local law enforcement that I have seen work on illegals. I would also like to see these same illegals put to work during thier incarceration, to pay for the cost of thier upkeep and transportation back across the border. Or face spend thier time in solitary confinement, on the most bland, inexpensive, and unnapealing diet imaginable........ As far as the liberals? They will use any excuse neccesary, that seems plausible, to try and hamstring anything that threatens thier agendas. If people dislike this-get out and vote-and replace them with people who will DO your will-rather than whine about it never happeneing. Kudos to Thomas and Apaio for taking action that works. This is probably the first effective attempt by local law enforcement that I have seen work on illegals. I would also like to see these same illegals put to work during thier incarceration, to pay for the cost of thier upkeep and transportation back across the border. Or face spend thier time in solitary confinement, on the most bland, inexpensive, and unnapealing diet imaginable……..

As far as the liberals? They will use any excuse neccesary, that seems plausible, to try and hamstring anything that threatens thier agendas. If people dislike this-get out and vote-and replace them with people who will DO your will-rather than whine about it never happeneing.

Kudos to Thomas and Apaio for taking action that works.

]]> By: Ron S. http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-8931 Ron S. Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:39:00 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-8931 I'm not sure how this turned into a partisan discussion. Yes, Democrats seem to be for just letting all the illegals in, but I don't see the Republicans as a party voting against the "amnesty" program either. I'm pretty disgusted with both parties and especially the president regarding this issue. All I can say is "Three cheers for Arizona!" May the other border states wake up and realize that the federal government has failed us on this issue and they'll have to address it themselves(for now, at least). And I'm still amazed that there is an "issue" about whether to enforce our immigration laws. It's like deciding whether or not to breathe. I'm not sure how this turned into a partisan discussion. Yes, Democrats seem to be for just letting all the illegals in, but I don't see the Republicans as a party voting against the "amnesty" program either.

I'm pretty disgusted with both parties and especially the president regarding this issue. All I can say is "Three cheers for Arizona!" May the other border states wake up and realize that the federal government has failed us on this issue and they'll have to address it themselves(for now, at least).

And I'm still amazed that there is an "issue" about whether to enforce our immigration laws. It's like deciding whether or not to breathe.

]]> By: gene http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/14/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-8645 gene Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:05:34 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/court-upholds-arizona-county%e2%80%99s-use-of-unique-new-statute-to-prosecute-illegal-immigrants/#comment-8645 It's not that the US is unable to enforce our immigration laws but are politically unwilling. I myself am ashamed to call myself a registered Republican. I cannot vote for a Democrat so I guess I am one of those to maybe stay home. I have refused to sent $ to the national committies but will give to selected candidates. Most of my friends are doing the same. When McCain gets trounced in the primaries then maybe our so called (Representatives) will wake up and realize that they are supposed to represent us and not the Mexican Government. It's not that the US is unable to enforce our immigration laws but are politically unwilling. I myself am ashamed to call myself a registered Republican. I cannot vote for a Democrat so I guess I am one of those to maybe stay home. I have refused to sent $ to the national committies but will give to selected candidates. Most of my friends are doing the same.
When McCain gets trounced in the primaries then maybe our so called (Representatives) will wake up and realize that they are supposed to represent us and not the Mexican Government.

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