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		<title>By: M. N</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/26/white-guilt-today-tomorrow-and-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-22217</link>
		<dc:creator>M. N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would first like to comment on the artice written by Bernard Chapin, (White guilt)  white guilt is merely a reaction of accusation, of wrongs they don&#039;t even know how and why they committed it, i am a black south african, the issue of slavery, racism and morden day slavery(is institutional bondage) which is undetected oppression, is not a political problem, nor social problem, but rather a philosophical problem,  racism and oppression streams from the person unconscious mindset or rather reasoning. 

America is not dealing with their issues of race properly, one oneside with african-Americans furious at their oppressor (racially and institutionally) and with whites ignorant of how their thoght process does not accommodate or rather allow minority growth, minorities to not want to be fitted into to a system that will recognise them provided the adopt the atributes of the dominant race, affirmative action does not even begin to address that issue,  each culture is unique on its own white dominance is cause by the insecurity or rather complex that white have which Laplanche calls cognitive disfunction, that uncosciously motivates them to want to rise above the rest.

So the article by Mr Chaplin is premature scholaship of racial understanding of what is really happening in his own nation, the U.S.A

And it just proves to me as a student that America is far from being as smart as they think they are if they can&#039;t solve such simple issues.

Thank You

M.N</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would first like to comment on the artice written by Bernard Chapin, (White guilt)  white guilt is merely a reaction of accusation, of wrongs they don&#8217;t even know how and why they committed it, i am a black south african, the issue of slavery, racism and morden day slavery(is institutional bondage) which is undetected oppression, is not a political problem, nor social problem, but rather a philosophical problem,  racism and oppression streams from the person unconscious mindset or rather reasoning. </p>
<p>America is not dealing with their issues of race properly, one oneside with african-Americans furious at their oppressor (racially and institutionally) and with whites ignorant of how their thoght process does not accommodate or rather allow minority growth, minorities to not want to be fitted into to a system that will recognise them provided the adopt the atributes of the dominant race, affirmative action does not even begin to address that issue,  each culture is unique on its own white dominance is cause by the insecurity or rather complex that white have which Laplanche calls cognitive disfunction, that uncosciously motivates them to want to rise above the rest.</p>
<p>So the article by Mr Chaplin is premature scholaship of racial understanding of what is really happening in his own nation, the U.S.A</p>
<p>And it just proves to me as a student that America is far from being as smart as they think they are if they can&#8217;t solve such simple issues.</p>
<p>Thank You</p>
<p>M.N</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio  Ortiz</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/26/white-guilt-today-tomorrow-and-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-18783</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio  Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both the book and the review are still beholden to White guilt.</description>
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		<title>By: Caucasian American</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/26/white-guilt-today-tomorrow-and-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-11918</link>
		<dc:creator>Caucasian American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comic relief! Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: MZapp</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/26/white-guilt-today-tomorrow-and-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-11660</link>
		<dc:creator>MZapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

I don&#039;t understand.  On the one hand, you recognize the double standard that keeps white people from saying &quot;white pride&quot; but permits blacks and Asians to profess their own ethnic pride, but on the other hand, you say that saying &quot;white pride&quot; is racist!  How can you lament a double standard while perpetuating it?

I&#039;m white and I&#039;m proud to be white, for the simple reason that it is the most natural, healthy thing in the world to be proud of one&#039;s own people.  This doesn&#039;t keep me from recognizing the humanity of non-whites, any more than my being happy to be a man keeps me from recognizing the humanity or the special qualities of women.  

So many white conservatives these days want blacks, Asians and Latinos to follow our lead and shed their ethinc pride/identities.  God forbid!  The last thing this country needs is for its minority population to become as self-loathing and lobotomized as its white population. (I think I just threw up a little in my mouth just thinking about it.)  

Fortunately, it isn&#039;t going to happen, because minorities rightfully ignore political correctness, which they correctly perceive as a form of white-on-white crime.  The downside to this is that they, in their pride, are going to continue to walk all over white people until we come up with a pride to match theirs.  

In other words, the only way out of this mess is for white people to stand up for themselves as white people and demand respect.  Asking blacks and Latinos to give up their ethnic pride is like asking a sane man to chop off his own hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand.  On the one hand, you recognize the double standard that keeps white people from saying &#8220;white pride&#8221; but permits blacks and Asians to profess their own ethnic pride, but on the other hand, you say that saying &#8220;white pride&#8221; is racist!  How can you lament a double standard while perpetuating it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m white and I&#8217;m proud to be white, for the simple reason that it is the most natural, healthy thing in the world to be proud of one&#8217;s own people.  This doesn&#8217;t keep me from recognizing the humanity of non-whites, any more than my being happy to be a man keeps me from recognizing the humanity or the special qualities of women.  </p>
<p>So many white conservatives these days want blacks, Asians and Latinos to follow our lead and shed their ethinc pride/identities.  God forbid!  The last thing this country needs is for its minority population to become as self-loathing and lobotomized as its white population. (I think I just threw up a little in my mouth just thinking about it.)  </p>
<p>Fortunately, it isn&#8217;t going to happen, because minorities rightfully ignore political correctness, which they correctly perceive as a form of white-on-white crime.  The downside to this is that they, in their pride, are going to continue to walk all over white people until we come up with a pride to match theirs.  </p>
<p>In other words, the only way out of this mess is for white people to stand up for themselves as white people and demand respect.  Asking blacks and Latinos to give up their ethnic pride is like asking a sane man to chop off his own hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/26/white-guilt-today-tomorrow-and-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-11389</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that saying &quot;white pride&quot; is racist but it shows the glaring double standard.  When one says black pride or asian pride they are simply proud of their heritage.  What is this trash?  It is disgusting.  I agree with Mr. Woodford that the problem that some blacks have is their inablility to accept American values.  The liberal hacks say that we need to accept their culture and embrace them.  Well okay, but why can they nnot embrace our culture.  I am also disgusted when they use the race card for anything.  While applying for various colleges I found myself wishing I was some kind of ethnic minority so I could pay less for my tuition.  Racism against the &quot;white man&quot; and white guilt have been institutionalized.  The principles of affirmative action are equally as bad as those on which the Jim Crow laws were built.  Martin Luther King said he had a dream that one day we would not be judged by the color of our skin but the content of our character.  It is time that we finally wake up and make Dr. King&#039;s dream a reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that saying &#8220;white pride&#8221; is racist but it shows the glaring double standard.  When one says black pride or asian pride they are simply proud of their heritage.  What is this trash?  It is disgusting.  I agree with Mr. Woodford that the problem that some blacks have is their inablility to accept American values.  The liberal hacks say that we need to accept their culture and embrace them.  Well okay, but why can they nnot embrace our culture.  I am also disgusted when they use the race card for anything.  While applying for various colleges I found myself wishing I was some kind of ethnic minority so I could pay less for my tuition.  Racism against the &#8220;white man&#8221; and white guilt have been institutionalized.  The principles of affirmative action are equally as bad as those on which the Jim Crow laws were built.  Martin Luther King said he had a dream that one day we would not be judged by the color of our skin but the content of our character.  It is time that we finally wake up and make Dr. King&#8217;s dream a reality.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sanders</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/26/white-guilt-today-tomorrow-and-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-11318</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W. Pride I think you might be on the wrong website. This is intellectualconservative.com, not ignorantracist.com. 

I am a Southerner and Confederate. You sir are a disgrace. You are obviously unaware of the 64,000 blacks who fought for the Confederacy.  And you for sure do not know of the Mexican &quot;Confedrados&quot; who served in the Confederate regiments from Texas. Nathan Bedford Forrest, founder of the Ku Klux Klan disassociated himself from the KKK when they began to terrorise blacks. He was a guest speaker at a Memphis gathering of black Confederate veterans in 1877(?).

BTW I&#039;ve seen your post referring to Jesus on another article. If you actually believed in Him you would at least change your posting name because &quot;pride&quot; is a sin. It was Adam and Eve&#039;s downfall. Maybe you better take a long look in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W. Pride I think you might be on the wrong website. This is intellectualconservative.com, not ignorantracist.com. </p>
<p>I am a Southerner and Confederate. You sir are a disgrace. You are obviously unaware of the 64,000 blacks who fought for the Confederacy.  And you for sure do not know of the Mexican &#8220;Confedrados&#8221; who served in the Confederate regiments from Texas. Nathan Bedford Forrest, founder of the Ku Klux Klan disassociated himself from the KKK when they began to terrorise blacks. He was a guest speaker at a Memphis gathering of black Confederate veterans in 1877(?).</p>
<p>BTW I&#8217;ve seen your post referring to Jesus on another article. If you actually believed in Him you would at least change your posting name because &#8220;pride&#8221; is a sin. It was Adam and Eve&#8217;s downfall. Maybe you better take a long look in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: William Woodford</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/06/26/white-guilt-today-tomorrow-and-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-10558</link>
		<dc:creator>William Woodford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one should mistake Steele for a conservative after reading this work. While it has good explanation of how a movement working to assure all Americans their rights under the law was subverted into an ethnic special interest movement to promote socialism, the reader must subject himself to the all-too-common lies and moral relativism that inform the contemporary civil rights movement. The reader should not expect any apologies for the movement’s worst excesses--the tyranny of taxation without representation (Missouri v. Jenkins) and Communists (W.E.B. DuBois and Paul Robeson) on our pastage stamps, either.

Indeed, Steele practices the white guilt-black power game even as he denounces it. His most offensive argument is that American blacks gained the “moral authority” to reject traditional American values by supporting the Communist victory in Indochina, which led to mass murder and genocide in the socialist revolutions imposed on those unfortunate lands when the Communists won. Any person with even a shred of decency would find association with these horrors as irrevocably stripping its proponents of any moral authority whatsoever. Given the rejection of traditional American values, it is small wonder that blacks, who comprise 12% of America’s population, commit 50% of its murders.

Steele even claims that the sole reason for anti-black sentiment in this country is the skin color, a lie to conceal the real reason: the failure of blacks to accept American values, as suggested by the leftist authors Francis D. Adams and Barry Sanders in “Alienable Rights.” Absent in all this is the Christian concept of forgiveness after sincere repentance--since white guilt is a source of power, forgiveness is unlikely to be forthcoming despite the fact that most of the black leadership claim to be Christian clergy.

Since the practicioners of white guilt see the destruction of traditional American values as a good thing, they have no incentive to bring this corrupt practice to a halt. Unfortunately, none of our elected officials have the moral courage to stop it, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one should mistake Steele for a conservative after reading this work. While it has good explanation of how a movement working to assure all Americans their rights under the law was subverted into an ethnic special interest movement to promote socialism, the reader must subject himself to the all-too-common lies and moral relativism that inform the contemporary civil rights movement. The reader should not expect any apologies for the movement’s worst excesses&#8211;the tyranny of taxation without representation (Missouri v. Jenkins) and Communists (W.E.B. DuBois and Paul Robeson) on our pastage stamps, either.</p>
<p>Indeed, Steele practices the white guilt-black power game even as he denounces it. His most offensive argument is that American blacks gained the “moral authority” to reject traditional American values by supporting the Communist victory in Indochina, which led to mass murder and genocide in the socialist revolutions imposed on those unfortunate lands when the Communists won. Any person with even a shred of decency would find association with these horrors as irrevocably stripping its proponents of any moral authority whatsoever. Given the rejection of traditional American values, it is small wonder that blacks, who comprise 12% of America’s population, commit 50% of its murders.</p>
<p>Steele even claims that the sole reason for anti-black sentiment in this country is the skin color, a lie to conceal the real reason: the failure of blacks to accept American values, as suggested by the leftist authors Francis D. Adams and Barry Sanders in “Alienable Rights.” Absent in all this is the Christian concept of forgiveness after sincere repentance&#8211;since white guilt is a source of power, forgiveness is unlikely to be forthcoming despite the fact that most of the black leadership claim to be Christian clergy.</p>
<p>Since the practicioners of white guilt see the destruction of traditional American values as a good thing, they have no incentive to bring this corrupt practice to a halt. Unfortunately, none of our elected officials have the moral courage to stop it, either.</p>
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		<title>By: john fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>john fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you pay for it, I owe blacks nothing.</description>
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		<title>By: James Cantrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Cantrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this site from searching the Net for discussions of Steele&#039;s White Guilt. What most struck me about the review is this:&quot;In the opinion of this reviewer, what keeps racial tensions high in America are intra-race conflicts as opposed to the interracial ones. Most likely, if one group of Caucasians discontinued the practice of systematically defaming all other Caucasians, then the strains among us would diminish.&quot;

That is my view, one I have discussed and proffered for years. The group in question is the one we have come to know as WASP, particularly when that is understood to demarcate the Elite Anglophile Protestants of tyhe northeast. Ethnic purity is not required, certainly for Germans who are double first cousins to Anglo-Saxons anyway, but even for the Irish, the group that WASPs historically have seen as the most inferior &#039;race.&#039;   Ted Kennedy is aperfect example of even the despised Irish being accepted fully into the WASP inner circle and serving its interests and prejudices. Those who are assimilated to WASP culture will think and act in accordance with WASP values and goals, which feature a decided contempt for almost all other white people. In its cultrual war against other white groups, WASP culture is all too happy to use black people as pawns and as weapons. 

Steele&#039;s quote, &quot;Yet to gain employment today in most American institutions whites must somehow pledge allegiance to “diversity” as if to demonstrate a white identity of contrition and deference. Even in the corporate and military worlds — not to mention academia — no white goes far without genuflecting to diversity. Nevertheless, beyond an identity that apologizes for white supremacy, absolutely no white identity is permissible,&quot;  shows the result of that process. That is what underlies all left of center opposition to the Celtic-Southern thesis, which opposition is invariably little more than an endlessly repeated charge that it is racism to allow white Southerners to have any ethnic-cultural identity that is European and not WASP. My book How Celtic Culture Invented Southern Literature is certain to be hated and feared and smeared by leftist academics and journalists for that reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this site from searching the Net for discussions of Steele&#8217;s White Guilt. What most struck me about the review is this:&#8221;In the opinion of this reviewer, what keeps racial tensions high in America are intra-race conflicts as opposed to the interracial ones. Most likely, if one group of Caucasians discontinued the practice of systematically defaming all other Caucasians, then the strains among us would diminish.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is my view, one I have discussed and proffered for years. The group in question is the one we have come to know as WASP, particularly when that is understood to demarcate the Elite Anglophile Protestants of tyhe northeast. Ethnic purity is not required, certainly for Germans who are double first cousins to Anglo-Saxons anyway, but even for the Irish, the group that WASPs historically have seen as the most inferior &#8216;race.&#8217;   Ted Kennedy is aperfect example of even the despised Irish being accepted fully into the WASP inner circle and serving its interests and prejudices. Those who are assimilated to WASP culture will think and act in accordance with WASP values and goals, which feature a decided contempt for almost all other white people. In its cultrual war against other white groups, WASP culture is all too happy to use black people as pawns and as weapons. </p>
<p>Steele&#8217;s quote, &#8220;Yet to gain employment today in most American institutions whites must somehow pledge allegiance to “diversity” as if to demonstrate a white identity of contrition and deference. Even in the corporate and military worlds — not to mention academia — no white goes far without genuflecting to diversity. Nevertheless, beyond an identity that apologizes for white supremacy, absolutely no white identity is permissible,&#8221;  shows the result of that process. That is what underlies all left of center opposition to the Celtic-Southern thesis, which opposition is invariably little more than an endlessly repeated charge that it is racism to allow white Southerners to have any ethnic-cultural identity that is European and not WASP. My book How Celtic Culture Invented Southern Literature is certain to be hated and feared and smeared by leftist academics and journalists for that reason.</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Farrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing owed to reparation-seeking Blacks is a one-way ticket to Africa.</description>
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