Christopher,

Watch it with that ‘throwback from the Deep South’ crud. I’ll have you know my ancestry includes throwbacks from Georgia AND Massachusetts! :D

But really, we southerners are no more misanthropic than you yankees. The South has no more bigots than the North, West, or Alaska; and the north has no particular monopoly on virtue nor intellect. We got us some nifty gadgets, TV, talk-radio, and an internet that are every bit as hip as you yankees pretend. We have some good schools too, where we can go and act just as snooty as any yankee. We have one other thing which you Northerners lack … an appreciation of fine country music; much nicer than that rap and head-banger noise some folks listen to.

These already exist. They’re called the American Nazi Party and the Aryan Brotherhood.

I myself am not a racist, but there are powerful racist societies being
formed by radicalized minority groups (note: this doesn’t apply to
minorities in general) that would seek to strip the “white man” of his
rights. In the interest of keeping these groups in check, we do need
to form a white version of the NAACP or American Negro Collage Fund.

I know: such organizations can become just as corrupt as the current
radical minority-dominated ones, but what choice do we have?
Until our society evolves to the point where the very concept of race
is ridiculous, this is how it must be…

People naturally segregate. If they didn’t, we wouldn’t need the force of law, backed up with rifles and bayonettes! They never had to send in the 101st Airborne to break people apart.

The sooner we acknowledge that these differences are, in fact, real and natural, the sooner the
present day glut of pseudo-intellectual self-proclaimed experts (egotists) shall be marginalised and
silenced once and for all.

It is they who wish to skate over the very essence of the nature of man in futile attempts to
solve the unsolvable, ie, that of group differences within the human species and who then proceed
to indulge in verbal counter accusations against those who disagree with their sterile thesis and
theories.

They persistently rail against the scientific evidence so painstakingly produced by others engaged in
the business of actual fact-finding research, complete with evidence to back it up. Rather, the self-
proclaimed pseudo prefers to dismiss such evidence as being somehow biased against particular
ethnicities’ interests, etc, etc. Of course, there will always be isolated examples of group individuals
who rise above the norm characteristic of their kindred group brethren as a whole, but that does
not nullify the evidence gleaned, good and bad, relating to a group’s predominant traits.

My conclusions, having read up extensively on statistical and scientific data emanating from all
quarters and shades of opinions, are that man is comprised of separate racial/tribal groups with
resultant cultures, traditions and belief systems sufficiently enough as to rule out the fantasy of
mutually beneficial and peaceful coexistence inside the same living space.

One side argues about terminology.

The other side speaks about morality.

That about says it all.

Kirk and Weaver held segregationist positions

No true conservative holds segregationist positions

Therefore, Kirk and Weaver are not true conservatives

This is, of course, nonsense.

It is simply wilful ignorance to believe that kith and kin have not been a large part of conservative thought. If Dr Jackson wishes to call himself a classical liberal, fine, but I reject his redefining conservatism to fit the supposed philosophy of Locke (who, I venture to say, would have found the racial egalitarianism of today ridiculous).

What is interesting is that there is simply no attempt to answer facts. For example, while I would have phrased it more mildly, the fact is that when Mexicans do immigrate in large numbers, they do bring an alien culture with them. Ditto when a neighborhood turns black — the culture is alien to me. While there are no doubt fine people of every race, we live in societies — man is the polis animal after all. I for one believe that I am better off living in a polis where most of the people are closely genetically related to me.

Phil,

It is very easy to create little strawmen and then knock them down.

I set out to show that opposing segregation is not a necessary condition for being a conservative by showing that many of the first conservatives supported segregation. I proved this. I won my point. This is really all I wanted to argue.

I never said that race is “ALL that matters.” Of course it isn’t. Many other things matter (family, religion, locality, history, culture, etc.). Only an idiot would think that race is the only thing that matters. However, among the many things that do matter, race does indeed matter. Just look around. Turn on the TV.

As I said before, neoconservatives believing we should create a “color-blind society” is essentially the position of 1950s liberals. Guess what: it didn’t work. Go to any cafeteria of any integrated NYC public school and you will see all the whites sitting together, all the blacks sitting together, all the Mexicans sitting together, etc. We’ve had 50 years to create this “color-blind society,” but yet things are the same. If a “color-blind society” did not work for 1950s liberals, what makes you think it will work today?

I said that race is important and whites should promote their own interests, well, because they should. As shown by a few recent studies, open any scholarship book for your average college and you will find that minority scholarships outnumber scholarships for which whites are available by about 8 to 1. Geez, as a white man, I think that whites should get more. This is only natural. Am I a racist for thinking this? If I am, so be it.

Regarding American Renaissance, as with any forum, there are smart people and there are dumb people. Of course there are idiots there. I certainly do not agree with those who think that a “great race war is coming.” And whether whites are “superior,” I don’t know. But I do know that all other races do look out for their own.

But as I said before, I am not a white nationalist. I am a paleoconservative. I think there are natural hierarchies, and there is a natural traditional order. I support localism, blood and soil, kin and kith, a stronger loyalty to people of fellow tribes, and the traditional European way.

Mountain Man,

In the spirit form, we are one body. However, in the here and now were are not – unless of course you think we are not flawed and thus are perfectible on Earth.

What separates pre-Enlightenment Christianity for the modern liberal variants is a view of man. I think that many do not realize how much the liberal Enlightenment has shaped how we view Christianity today, especially with much “rights talk.” It has been liberalized through and through. Cognosco non haec mutata.

Paul also says: “If anyone does not take care of his own, and especially of his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever” (1 Tim. 5:8) . This is a classical kith and kin view of the world. We have special obligations for those more closely related to us.

This is the view too of the early Christians. St. Augustine argued: “Since you cannot give aid to everyone, one has to be concerned with those who by reason of blood, time or circumstances are by some chance more tightly bound to you” (De Doctrina). In short, one has stronger obligations for those who have a closer proximity.

The whole notion of “universal obligations” would have been alien to early Christians.

The simple fact remains that God created distinct races / ethnicities. If he wanted us all to be the same color, he would have made us all beige. You may mock God’s creations. But I do not dare.

I am glad that some one has finally stood up to the crap that has recently been spread across this site. Unfortunately, as the extreme right racist seem to mimic the response of the far left racists, or is it vice versa. They have so many similarities at times it is scary. The sooner people accept the fact that other people should be judged on their actions and skills, and not their skin colour (yes, I'm English, hence the correct spelling :) ), the better. People the world over share many of the same values regardless of skin colour. It is a shame that there are groups who choose to exploit visible differences for their own gain.

As an FYI, I am "white" married to an "asian". I have seen first hand the crap dished out by extreme lefties and righties who only see the colour of a person, not who that person is.