Comments on: Cultural Whiplash: The Unforeseen Consequences of America’s Crusade Against Racial Discrimination http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/01/25/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:00:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rubicon http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/01/25/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-37410 Rubicon Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:32:13 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/#comment-37410 On the issue of reparations, I become confused. I understand there is a movement to make some sort of financial payments to "pay-off" the guilt for having enslaved hundreds of thousands of blacks, in our history. However, to ask today's generations to pay for this crime, may be a bit inappropriate. Prior to the war between the states, my family had worked to oppose slavery & help escaping Negro's (as Black's were called then), heading to Canada or other points north of us. Living within a day's walk of the Mason-Dixon line, our town was one of many early stopping off points for groups using the underground railroad. Once war broke out, relatives of mine and many other townspeople, burned down the bridge across the Susquehanna River that Confederates intended to cross on their way to Philadelphia & then Washington. Those Confederate troops ended up in Gettysburg for that battle, because they could not cross the river. During the war, a number of my family enlisted and fought for the Union. A number also died for the cause. Now exactly why should any in my family pay for crimes against Black's? Didn't dying to end slavery sort of pay obligation's they or the family may have had? And if my family members fought & died to end slavery, why is it I as one who follows, would be forced to pay for reparations? While I suspect the amounts would be small, its that families who opposed & fought against slavery are expected to pay reparations that bothers me. Will there will some sort of payment for the family members who died? I never knew any of them & in fact when I die the family name ends. But I still just don't "get it"? It seems attaching guilt to this generation so far removed from that generation, is a bit of a stretch for me. Do Black's who lived in the north & were free also pay? Their ancestors were just as guilty as mine for being free, right? And what about American's who emigrated after the war? How can they be expected to contribute to a treasury that will pay reparations for something they or their families were not here to participate in! I even attended a college founded by Thaddeus Stevens who was a radical anti-slavery congressman. Who pays? Just White's? Do Asian-Americans pay? Do Hispanic-Americans pay? Do Muslim-Americans pay? Do illegal aliens here now also pay? If the government pays without any determination of who paid into the treasury, then aren't many Black's paying themselves? What about Black's whose ancestors arrived after slavery was ended? Do they pay? Do they collect? I do not mean to sound flippant. I really have problems with the logic of this. It seems to me, it is just an attempt to wrest money from the treasury for some who claim victim-hood, because their ancestors might have been slaves. So if they can put in a bill, why can't those of us whose early family died to end it? It seems to me, apologies by the congress in the name of the people of America, will have to suffice. And if that has been done, then I would say, lets move on! Because continual additional or annual apologies, is just a bit much as well! On the issue of reparations, I become confused. I understand there is a movement to make some sort of financial payments to “pay-off” the guilt for having enslaved hundreds of thousands of blacks, in our history.
However, to ask today’s generations to pay for this crime, may be a bit inappropriate.
Prior to the war between the states, my family had worked to oppose slavery & help escaping Negro’s (as Black’s were called then), heading to Canada or other points north of us. Living within a day’s walk of the Mason-Dixon line, our town was one of many early stopping off points for groups using the underground railroad.
Once war broke out, relatives of mine and many other townspeople, burned down the bridge across the Susquehanna River that Confederates intended to cross on their way to Philadelphia & then Washington. Those Confederate troops ended up in Gettysburg for that battle, because they could not cross the river.
During the war, a number of my family enlisted and fought for the Union. A number also died for the cause.
Now exactly why should any in my family pay for crimes against Black’s? Didn’t dying to end slavery sort of pay obligation’s they or the family may have had? And if my family members fought & died to end slavery, why is it I as one who follows, would be forced to pay for reparations?
While I suspect the amounts would be small, its that families who opposed & fought against slavery are expected to pay reparations that bothers me. Will there will some sort of payment for the family members who died? I never knew any of them & in fact when I die the family name ends. But I still just don’t “get it”? It seems attaching guilt to this generation so far removed from that generation, is a bit of a stretch for me.
Do Black’s who lived in the north & were free also pay? Their ancestors were just as guilty as mine for being free, right? And what about American’s who emigrated after the war? How can they be expected to contribute to a treasury that will pay reparations for something they or their families were not here to participate in!
I even attended a college founded by Thaddeus Stevens who was a radical anti-slavery congressman.
Who pays? Just White’s? Do Asian-Americans pay? Do Hispanic-Americans pay? Do Muslim-Americans pay? Do illegal aliens here now also pay?
If the government pays without any determination of who paid into the treasury, then aren’t many Black’s paying themselves?
What about Black’s whose ancestors arrived after slavery was ended? Do they pay? Do they collect?
I do not mean to sound flippant. I really have problems with the logic of this. It seems to me, it is just an attempt to wrest money from the treasury for some who claim victim-hood, because their ancestors might have been slaves.
So if they can put in a bill, why can’t those of us whose early family died to end it?
It seems to me, apologies by the congress in the name of the people of America, will have to suffice. And if that has been done, then I would say, lets move on! Because continual additional or annual apologies, is just a bit much as well!

]]> By: fjh http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/01/25/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-36493 fjh Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:29:40 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/#comment-36493 Answer: you haven't noticed that it was corporate America which imported that 'third world', whether Illegal central American gardeners and maids for the liberal Jewish moguls of N. Hollywood and Long Island; or the Puerto Ricans who replaced the Eastern Europeans in Pennsylvania's steel mills. Each 'established' class finds cheap skilled labor and imports it to run their respective businesses and exploits loopholes their lobbyists drilled into immigration laws. Student visas, work permits, etc. are all being abused. Had several encounters with Romanian food service workers this summer at a few seasonal restaurants. Was quite surprised to find out they really loved Romania and had no interest in migrating to the U.S. Just wanted a job away from home for a while. Which raises the other point, and that the U.S. has become balkanized into hundreds of racial and cultural enclaves. I saw a new map of Queens and Brooklyn with boundaries for Pakistan, Chinese, Indian, W. Indian, et. al neighborhoods. Like many areas in California, once in the neighborhood you might as well be in their home country..English and American culture are second to their native tongueand customs. You want diversity; you got it!...could you translate that into Tagalong, Russian, Hmong, or Somali please. Answer: you haven’t noticed that it was corporate America which imported that ‘third world’, whether Illegal central American gardeners and maids for the liberal Jewish moguls of N. Hollywood and Long Island; or the Puerto Ricans who replaced the Eastern Europeans in Pennsylvania’s steel mills.

Each ‘established’ class finds cheap skilled labor and imports it to run their respective businesses and exploits loopholes their lobbyists drilled into immigration laws. Student visas, work permits, etc. are all being abused.

Had several encounters with Romanian food service workers this summer at a few seasonal restaurants. Was quite surprised to find out they really loved Romania and had no interest in migrating to the U.S. Just wanted a job away from home for a while.

Which raises the other point, and that the U.S. has become balkanized into hundreds of racial and cultural enclaves. I saw a new map of Queens and Brooklyn with boundaries for Pakistan, Chinese, Indian, W. Indian, et. al neighborhoods.

Like many areas in California, once in the neighborhood you might as well be in their home country..English and American culture are second to their native tongueand customs.

You want diversity; you got it!…could you translate that into Tagalong, Russian, Hmong, or Somali please.

]]> By: g8r hed http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/01/25/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-36461 g8r hed Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:26:29 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/#comment-36461 Racism is just another form of collectivism allowing one group of people to exploit another group of people through the force of law. Sometimes that force of law is used by a majority and sometimes it is used by a minority. Either way, racism is an excuse to abuse government to interfere socially and monitarily in people's lives. It is an excuse because it excuses (abolishes) the natural order of individual free association and private property in favor of collective force. The collectivist-racist view assumes and assigns a proscribed behavior to a group - the very behavior it is so vehemently opposed to - and could be applied to ANY group according to hair color, sex, stature, appearance, or labor affiliation. Racism is just another form of collectivism allowing one group of people to exploit another group of people through the force of law. Sometimes that force of law is used by a majority and sometimes it is used by a minority. Either way, racism is an excuse to abuse government to interfere socially and monitarily in people’s lives. It is an excuse because it excuses (abolishes) the natural order of individual free association and private property in favor of collective force.
The collectivist-racist view assumes and assigns a proscribed behavior to a group – the very behavior it is so vehemently opposed to – and could be applied to ANY group according to hair color, sex, stature, appearance, or labor affiliation.

]]> By: rightwingprof http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/01/25/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-36383 rightwingprof Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:06:07 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/#comment-36383 You forgot to put on your tinfoil hat. You forgot to put on your tinfoil hat.

]]> By: Patrick Mulligan http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/01/25/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/comment-page-1/#comment-36359 Patrick Mulligan Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:33:02 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/cultural-whiplash-the-unforeseen-consequences-of-america%e2%80%99s-crusade-against-racial-discrimination/#comment-36359 I can hardly wait to read the comments section here this time tomorrow. Yahoooooo!! I can hardly wait to read the comments section here this time tomorrow. Yahoooooo!!

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