Comments on: Of Ants and Immigrants http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/06/01/of-ants-and-immigrants/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:41:24 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Dean http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/06/01/of-ants-and-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-51844 Dean Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:28:45 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/06/01/of-ants-and-immigrants/#comment-51844 Pat, I wouldn't go as far as to say that Native Americans lived up to all their treaties and the US govt. broke their parts. Also, Native Americans fiction is what most people think of tribal culture living in this socialist existence in harmony with nature. Quiet the opposite was true; there hundreds of broken nations of N. American Indians each fought, enslaved and shared in starvation and privation due to poor land and game management. They regularly started gigantic fires in the plains to herd game which destroyed valuable forests and grasslands. So to say we were illegal immigrants ourselves is kind of far fetched at the very least. Pat,

I wouldn't go as far as to say that Native Americans lived up to all their treaties and the US govt. broke their parts. Also, Native
Americans fiction is what most people think of tribal culture living in this socialist existence in harmony with nature. Quiet the opposite was true; there hundreds of broken nations of N. American Indians each fought, enslaved and shared in starvation and privation due to poor land and game management. They regularly started gigantic fires in the plains to herd game which destroyed valuable forests and grasslands. So to say we were illegal immigrants ourselves is kind of far fetched at the very least.

]]> By: Pat Skurka http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/06/01/of-ants-and-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-51843 Pat Skurka Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:02:58 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/06/01/of-ants-and-immigrants/#comment-51843 Well reasoned with compelling logic, but also ironic in the reference to settling the American west in about a century. Viewed from the Native American perspective, the first waves of illegal immigrants were white adventurers and trappers, followed by an unending horde of settlers, ranchers and farmers. The Spanish explorers, Spanish settlers and their clergy immigrated northward into the Pacific coast and the now western states. Even the Russians and Chinese contributed small waves of undesired immigrants to California. Of course, the situation was entirely different, but still it’s a delicious historical irony. In dealings with Native Americans, the U.S. government broke every treaty while forcibly insisting the Native Americans live up to their part of every single bargain. Our government’s intentional failure to control illegal immigration dates back well over a century and was motivated by the same greed and corruption so evident in today’s political battles over amnesty. Rail lines were pushed west while the government promised Native Americans the railroads only desired to pass through their lands. Unknown to Native Americans, the government had awarded vast tracts of land to the railroads, which they in turn converted to cash through land sales to settlers. All the government’s promises to control the borders and prevent undesired and illegal immigration by settlers were deliberate lies, despite the usual well-intentioned rhetoric and posturing. The Sioux and Navajo nations observing the current amnesty debate in the Senate have to be rolling on the ground with laughter. Today, when our senators promise us they will control future illegal immigration and seal the borders, Native Americans have to be smiling as they say: “Right, that’s what they told us too.” The settlers and ranchers were only doing those jobs the Native Americans wouldn’t do; farming, mining, cattle ranching, exterminating buffalo and otherwise exploiting the natural resources in every way possible. If we could get them to stop laughing long enough, Native Americans could probably read us chapter and verse on the dangers of uncontrolled illegal immigration. Anglos, African and Asian-Americans can cling to the hope the Mexicans may allow us to open gambling casinos in our western states when they effectively control our land. If we approach them with a humble attitude, Native Americans will probably give us some tips on dealing blackjack and learning to survive in a changing world. Well reasoned with compelling logic, but also ironic in the reference to settling the American west in about a century. Viewed from the Native American perspective, the first waves of illegal immigrants were white adventurers and trappers, followed by an unending horde of settlers, ranchers and farmers. The Spanish explorers, Spanish settlers and their clergy immigrated northward into the Pacific coast and the now western states. Even the Russians and Chinese contributed small waves of undesired immigrants to California. Of course, the situation was entirely different, but still it’s a delicious historical irony.

In dealings with Native Americans, the U.S. government broke every treaty while forcibly insisting the Native Americans live up to their part of every single bargain. Our government’s intentional failure to control illegal immigration dates back well over a century and was motivated by the same greed and corruption so evident in today’s political battles over amnesty. Rail lines were pushed west while the government promised Native Americans the railroads only desired to pass through their lands. Unknown to Native Americans, the government had awarded vast tracts of land to the railroads, which they in turn converted to cash through land sales to settlers.

All the government’s promises to control the borders and prevent undesired and illegal immigration by settlers were deliberate lies, despite the usual well-intentioned rhetoric and posturing. The Sioux and Navajo nations observing the current amnesty debate in the Senate have to be rolling on the ground with laughter. Today, when our senators promise us they will control future illegal immigration and seal the borders, Native Americans have to be smiling as they say: “Right, that’s what they told us too.”

The settlers and ranchers were only doing those jobs the Native Americans wouldn’t do; farming, mining, cattle ranching, exterminating buffalo and otherwise exploiting the natural resources in every way possible. If we could get them to stop laughing long enough, Native Americans could probably read us chapter and verse on the dangers of uncontrolled illegal immigration. Anglos, African and Asian-Americans can cling to the hope the Mexicans may allow us to open gambling casinos in our western states when they effectively control our land. If we approach them with a humble attitude, Native Americans will probably give us some tips on dealing blackjack and learning to survive in a changing world.

]]> By: Mickey G http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/06/01/of-ants-and-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-51841 Mickey G Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:43:23 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/06/01/of-ants-and-immigrants/#comment-51841 This is the first article on illegal immigration that I agree 100% with and offer only two improvements plus the elected official pledge: 1. Write the law to support confiscation of property of illegals with it looking like the drug confiscations which ignore loans and mortgages. 2. Write the law to do the same thing to employers The pledge is one for all good folks to take and share with their elected officials at city, county, state, and federal levels: "I promise to vote against any incumbent that votes for amnesty, parole, earned citizenship, regularization or other politically correct term used as a euphanism for amnesty UNLESS their opponent voted for the amnesty too THEN I will write in a candidate" This is the first article on illegal immigration that I agree 100% with and offer only two improvements plus the elected official pledge:

1. Write the law to support confiscation of property of illegals with it looking like the drug confiscations which ignore loans and mortgages.
2. Write the law to do the same thing to employers

The pledge is one for all good folks to take and share with their elected officials at city, county, state, and federal levels:

"I promise to vote against any incumbent that votes for amnesty, parole, earned citizenship, regularization or other politically correct term used as a euphanism for amnesty UNLESS their opponent voted for the amnesty too THEN I will write in a candidate"

]]>