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	<title>Comments on: The Very Best News Yet in the Battleground Poll</title>
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		<title>By: sedonaman</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/07/30/the-very-best-news-yet-in-the-battleground-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-53526</link>
		<dc:creator>sedonaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with lethrneck. The Democrats should also change the name of their party: the last thing they are for is democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with lethrneck. The Democrats should also change the name of their party: the last thing they are for is democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: lethrneck</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/07/30/the-very-best-news-yet-in-the-battleground-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-53497</link>
		<dc:creator>lethrneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some conservative Democrats would NEVER cast a vote for a Republican.  What they tell me is that they were raised that way and just can&#039;t do it.

What I would like to see happen is for the Republican party to rename itself as the Conservative Party, then I would be willing to bet that a lot of conservative Democrats would start voting with and finally change their registration to Conservatives.

If the people in America are over 60 percent conservative, doesn&#039;t it just make sense to change party labels?   I am NOT advocating a THIRD party here as those things never work.  Just create a Conservative Party and drop the Republican name.  

And while that is going on we could dis-invite the RINO&#039;s like Specter, Hagel, Smith, Collins, Snowe, etc.  They would be more than made up by the new conservative Democrats that would come on board.

It works in Australia; why not here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some conservative Democrats would NEVER cast a vote for a Republican.  What they tell me is that they were raised that way and just can&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>What I would like to see happen is for the Republican party to rename itself as the Conservative Party, then I would be willing to bet that a lot of conservative Democrats would start voting with and finally change their registration to Conservatives.</p>
<p>If the people in America are over 60 percent conservative, doesn&#8217;t it just make sense to change party labels?   I am NOT advocating a THIRD party here as those things never work.  Just create a Conservative Party and drop the Republican name.  </p>
<p>And while that is going on we could dis-invite the RINO&#8217;s like Specter, Hagel, Smith, Collins, Snowe, etc.  They would be more than made up by the new conservative Democrats that would come on board.</p>
<p>It works in Australia; why not here?</p>
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		<title>By: sedonaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sedonaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If a candidate was perceived by the American people as a conservative and the opposing candidate was perceived by the American people as a liberal, the conservative would win the largest landslide in terms of percentage of the popular vote in the history of the two-party system in American politics.&quot; 

I whole-heartedly disagree with this.  Except on the extreme ends of the spectrum, I don&#039;t think people vote conservative or liberal. Otherwise, why are ultra liberal Hillary and ultra, ultra liberal B. Hussien bin Obama capturing the lion’s share of the polls? If the Battleground Polls are right, there should be a lot of conservative Democrats, and she and Obama wouldn’t even appear on the political radar horizon.

From listening to those around me (liberals &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; conservatives), I have concluded that normally it&#039;s not &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;what&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; the candidate says, but &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;how&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; he says it and how “how he says it” gets translated into “what’s-in-it-for-me?” that gets people to vote for him. 

This survey also leads to its erroneous conclusion because it falls down in one important area: &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;people were asked to evaluate themselves&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. The question is sorta like asking a person to indicate if he/she is “ugly”, “average”, or “beautiful”. What ugly person is going to admit it? Likewise, what is “conservative” and what is “liberal”? 

So, the reasons for the difference between an expected conservative landslide based on the Battleground Polls and actual election outcomes have to lie elsewhere. For example, there is a lot of the “stick-it-to-the-rich” attitude among the people. Some years back the &lt;i&gt;Wall Street Journal&lt;/i&gt; published an article about a study that showed that a majority would support legislation that hurt “the rich” even though they were told it would hurt them too. This is clearly not what is generally considered to be conservative thinking. So ask yourself, who promises to stick it to “the rich”? Liberal candidates or conservative ones? 

There are other factors that weigh in. In 2006 Republicans in general lost a lot of votes because of minor corruption on the part of only a few Republican incumbents. By contrast, for some strange reason, not even &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;major&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; political corruption seems to hurt Democrat candidates. 

Finally, in the end, the election is the only poll that counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If a candidate was perceived by the American people as a conservative and the opposing candidate was perceived by the American people as a liberal, the conservative would win the largest landslide in terms of percentage of the popular vote in the history of the two-party system in American politics.&#8221; </p>
<p>I whole-heartedly disagree with this.  Except on the extreme ends of the spectrum, I don&#8217;t think people vote conservative or liberal. Otherwise, why are ultra liberal Hillary and ultra, ultra liberal B. Hussien bin Obama capturing the lion’s share of the polls? If the Battleground Polls are right, there should be a lot of conservative Democrats, and she and Obama wouldn’t even appear on the political radar horizon.</p>
<p>From listening to those around me (liberals <i><b>and</b></i> conservatives), I have concluded that normally it&#8217;s not <i><b>what</b></i> the candidate says, but <i><b>how</b></i> he says it and how “how he says it” gets translated into “what’s-in-it-for-me?” that gets people to vote for him. </p>
<p>This survey also leads to its erroneous conclusion because it falls down in one important area: <i><b>people were asked to evaluate themselves</b></i>. The question is sorta like asking a person to indicate if he/she is “ugly”, “average”, or “beautiful”. What ugly person is going to admit it? Likewise, what is “conservative” and what is “liberal”? </p>
<p>So, the reasons for the difference between an expected conservative landslide based on the Battleground Polls and actual election outcomes have to lie elsewhere. For example, there is a lot of the “stick-it-to-the-rich” attitude among the people. Some years back the <i>Wall Street Journal</i> published an article about a study that showed that a majority would support legislation that hurt “the rich” even though they were told it would hurt them too. This is clearly not what is generally considered to be conservative thinking. So ask yourself, who promises to stick it to “the rich”? Liberal candidates or conservative ones? </p>
<p>There are other factors that weigh in. In 2006 Republicans in general lost a lot of votes because of minor corruption on the part of only a few Republican incumbents. By contrast, for some strange reason, not even <i><b>major</b></i> political corruption seems to hurt Democrat candidates. </p>
<p>Finally, in the end, the election is the only poll that counts.</p>
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