<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Evil</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/</link>
	<description>Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:00:53 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: fbaginski</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61539</link>
		<dc:creator>fbaginski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61539</guid>
		<description>GreginNY,

 Excellent question but the wrong place to ask it.  It gets too far from the general question of evil.

One has to wonder if you have a mouse in your pocket since this is your first post to this chain. (we)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreginNY,</p>
<p> Excellent question but the wrong place to ask it.  It gets too far from the general question of evil.</p>
<p>One has to wonder if you have a mouse in your pocket since this is your first post to this chain. (we)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: GreginNY</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61538</link>
		<dc:creator>GreginNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61538</guid>
		<description>Well, now that we&#039;ve hashed that issue around, it&#039;s time to move on to the next logical issue....

Which ONE concept of God (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist etc) is the right one?  Secondly, which SINGLE religion provides a path to eternal life?

Have at it!

GreginNY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now that we&#8217;ve hashed that issue around, it&#8217;s time to move on to the next logical issue&#8230;.</p>
<p>Which ONE concept of God (Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist etc) is the right one?  Secondly, which SINGLE religion provides a path to eternal life?</p>
<p>Have at it!</p>
<p>GreginNY</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Joseph BH McMillan</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61529</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph BH McMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61529</guid>
		<description>I have a tree; a fruit tree.

Last year, I tended the tree, and it brought forth good fruit.

This year, I neglected the tree, and the fruit rotted on the tree, and fell to the ground.

The same tree produced good fruit, and it produced rotten fruit. But still, the tree produced fruit.

The tree is not evil; neither is it good: it just produces fruit.

Whoever, or whatever, created the tree, did not create good fruit or rotten fruit; He, or it, simply created a tree.

If we tend the tree, we get good fruit; if we neglect the tree, we get rotten fruit. We eat, or we starve.

It is up to us!

Joseph BH McMillan   www.freedomvrights.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a tree; a fruit tree.</p>
<p>Last year, I tended the tree, and it brought forth good fruit.</p>
<p>This year, I neglected the tree, and the fruit rotted on the tree, and fell to the ground.</p>
<p>The same tree produced good fruit, and it produced rotten fruit. But still, the tree produced fruit.</p>
<p>The tree is not evil; neither is it good: it just produces fruit.</p>
<p>Whoever, or whatever, created the tree, did not create good fruit or rotten fruit; He, or it, simply created a tree.</p>
<p>If we tend the tree, we get good fruit; if we neglect the tree, we get rotten fruit. We eat, or we starve.</p>
<p>It is up to us!</p>
<p>Joseph BH McMillan   <a href="http://www.freedomvrights.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedomvrights.com</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Raymond Ingles</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61528</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61528</guid>
		<description>Mountain Man: I understand that you &#039;start from the preconception that there are reasonable explanations for every “troublesome” detail in the Bible&#039;, but the people who believe in Nostradamus have similar preconceptions. It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;amazing&lt;/i&gt; how good the fit is between his verses and some current event... &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; the event has happened and rationalizing has been done. Somehow they never seem to get the interpretation right &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; some big event.

In the same way, I don&#039;t see a whole lot of difference between, say, the &#039;prophecies&#039; alleged in the Bible and the &#039;prophecies&#039; that Mohammed&#039;s supposed to have made: http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/prophecies_by_mohammed.htm

People are able to rationalize amazing things. Look at, say, the Mormons. Actually, along those lines... fbaginski, how did &#039;pockets of bad blood&#039; survive the Flood, since it was supposed to have killed everything but what was on the ark? Where&#039;s the biblical support for the notion that the Amalekites were descended from fallen angels?

And speaking of the Bible, it&#039;s not at all inconsistent to accept some of it as factual and some of it as myth. There probably was a Greek messenger named Pheidippides, and he probably did run a message sometime around the battle of Marathon. But he probably didn&#039;t meet the god Pan along the way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheidippides</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mountain Man: I understand that you &#8216;start from the preconception that there are reasonable explanations for every “troublesome” detail in the Bible&#8217;, but the people who believe in Nostradamus have similar preconceptions. It&#8217;s <i>amazing</i> how good the fit is between his verses and some current event&#8230; <i>after</i> the event has happened and rationalizing has been done. Somehow they never seem to get the interpretation right <i>before</i> some big event.</p>
<p>In the same way, I don&#8217;t see a whole lot of difference between, say, the &#8216;prophecies&#8217; alleged in the Bible and the &#8216;prophecies&#8217; that Mohammed&#8217;s supposed to have made: <a href="http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/prophecies_by_mohammed.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Muhammad-and-Judaism/prophecies_by_mohammed.htm</a></p>
<p>People are able to rationalize amazing things. Look at, say, the Mormons. Actually, along those lines&#8230; fbaginski, how did &#8216;pockets of bad blood&#8217; survive the Flood, since it was supposed to have killed everything but what was on the ark? Where&#8217;s the biblical support for the notion that the Amalekites were descended from fallen angels?</p>
<p>And speaking of the Bible, it&#8217;s not at all inconsistent to accept some of it as factual and some of it as myth. There probably was a Greek messenger named Pheidippides, and he probably did run a message sometime around the battle of Marathon. But he probably didn&#8217;t meet the god Pan along the way: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheidippides" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheidippides</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Raymond Ingles</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61526</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61526</guid>
		<description>Mountain Man: I didn&#039;t agree that &quot;there is a scenario where the killing of every member of a society is justified&quot;, I said that I could imagine scenarios where killing babies might be justified. By the same token, it&#039;s entirely possible for all the air molecules in the room I&#039;m in to spontaneously, by sheer chance, congregate by the far wall, leaving me in a vacuum. The problem is that the odds of that happening are so staggeringly small that it&#039;s effectively impossible. If you want to wait for something like that to happen, you&#039;ll be waiting trillions of trillions of trillions of years. (Actually, add a few dozen &quot;trillions of&quot; to that.)

 To justify slaughtering babies, you need to posit similarly improbable circumstances. I don&#039;t see any signs in the text that such circumstances applied. Those kids could have been brought into the tribe and raised in a (putatively) moral environment. Assuming that the entire adult population of e.g. the Amalekites was utterly and irredeemably beyond salvaging (and perhaps I&#039;m mistaken but I thought one of the tenets of Christianity was that no one alive was ever in that state), the kids weren&#039;t, and deserved good treatment and protection. Instead, they got...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mountain Man: I didn&#8217;t agree that &#8220;there is a scenario where the killing of every member of a society is justified&#8221;, I said that I could imagine scenarios where killing babies might be justified. By the same token, it&#8217;s entirely possible for all the air molecules in the room I&#8217;m in to spontaneously, by sheer chance, congregate by the far wall, leaving me in a vacuum. The problem is that the odds of that happening are so staggeringly small that it&#8217;s effectively impossible. If you want to wait for something like that to happen, you&#8217;ll be waiting trillions of trillions of trillions of years. (Actually, add a few dozen &#8220;trillions of&#8221; to that.)</p>
<p> To justify slaughtering babies, you need to posit similarly improbable circumstances. I don&#8217;t see any signs in the text that such circumstances applied. Those kids could have been brought into the tribe and raised in a (putatively) moral environment. Assuming that the entire adult population of e.g. the Amalekites was utterly and irredeemably beyond salvaging (and perhaps I&#8217;m mistaken but I thought one of the tenets of Christianity was that no one alive was ever in that state), the kids weren&#8217;t, and deserved good treatment and protection. Instead, they got&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: historypupil</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61340</link>
		<dc:creator>historypupil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61340</guid>
		<description>I like Duke&#039;s point about the Borg in Star Trek, because, for some 
strange reason, we complain that God does control us or controls 
us too much. We are like the slaves out of Egypt. Or professional 
complainers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Duke&#8217;s point about the Borg in Star Trek, because, for some<br />
strange reason, we complain that God does control us or controls<br />
us too much. We are like the slaves out of Egypt. Or professional<br />
complainers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rosita</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61183</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61183</guid>
		<description>Some very interesting questions have been raised as to God&#039;s character and the evil in the world.  Not being a theological scholar but just an ordinary Christian, I&#039;d still like to state what I think might be part of the reason for the seemingly horrible command to the Israelites to kill babies in that Old Testament passage that Raymond Ingles was referring to.  The Israelites were God&#039;s covenant people and later, after Jesus&#039; resurrection, God opened the covenant life for all the rest of mankind.  This reality is in part what explains why God would order the killing of the babies of the enemies of the chosen people.  Of course, there are many other scripture verses that explain God&#039;s incredible mercy and compassion for His enemies, such as in the book of Jonah where the book ends with God asking a question that reflects His greast compassion on all His creatures.

Today while driving home, I came across a little squirrel which had been partly run over by a former vehicle.  It still had its legs twitching and I debated internally whether to finish the job and put it out of its misery.  I couldn&#039;t bring myself to this task and now I regret not doing that in some ways, becuase I know that it will probably experience more suffering than if I had quickly done something to end the pain.  I think it was too far gone to try to help it by nursing it back, although i know there are some people who do that with wild neighborhood creatures.  Anyway, maybe God&#039;s command to quickly kill the babies in that particular passage in the Old Testament indicates that He wanted to eliminate as much suffering for ALL the people on both sides because He knew what the future would be if those babies grew up, becuase they were being brought up in an anti-God culture.  I don&#039;t know, I&#039;m just surmising.

We don&#039;t always know exactly why God does things the way He does things...if we did then we wouldn&#039;t have the need to trust Him.  Sometimes things that appear cruel to us might be the kindest thing in the long run.  God knows us humans by the love we share with those around us; our intellectual acumen is only a tool that can be used for good or ill to that purpose, although He gives the super intelligent the pleasure of experiencing all that such a developed and exercised gift can arouse.  So maybe we all need to learn more about what the facets of love are and how they are demonstrated by examining WHY God operates the way He does, but always with the humility that He is the Creator, and we the created.  If anti-Christian atheists would examine the ENTIRE bible as open-mindedly as possible, then maybe they would even be able to help Christians see the truth more clearly.  Mr. Duke&#039;s writing, Mr. Ingles&#039; inquiries and thoughts, and other commenters posts have certainly stimulated thinking more on God&#039;s attributes and the reasoning of what constitutes heaven and free will.  I would not mind if I lose my free will in heaven, I believe, as long as there isn&#039;t any of the awful suffering that creatures can experience here.  The New Covenant, brought in by Jesus&#039; death and resurrection, gives one hope for something better, anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some very interesting questions have been raised as to God&#8217;s character and the evil in the world.  Not being a theological scholar but just an ordinary Christian, I&#8217;d still like to state what I think might be part of the reason for the seemingly horrible command to the Israelites to kill babies in that Old Testament passage that Raymond Ingles was referring to.  The Israelites were God&#8217;s covenant people and later, after Jesus&#8217; resurrection, God opened the covenant life for all the rest of mankind.  This reality is in part what explains why God would order the killing of the babies of the enemies of the chosen people.  Of course, there are many other scripture verses that explain God&#8217;s incredible mercy and compassion for His enemies, such as in the book of Jonah where the book ends with God asking a question that reflects His greast compassion on all His creatures.</p>
<p>Today while driving home, I came across a little squirrel which had been partly run over by a former vehicle.  It still had its legs twitching and I debated internally whether to finish the job and put it out of its misery.  I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to this task and now I regret not doing that in some ways, becuase I know that it will probably experience more suffering than if I had quickly done something to end the pain.  I think it was too far gone to try to help it by nursing it back, although i know there are some people who do that with wild neighborhood creatures.  Anyway, maybe God&#8217;s command to quickly kill the babies in that particular passage in the Old Testament indicates that He wanted to eliminate as much suffering for ALL the people on both sides because He knew what the future would be if those babies grew up, becuase they were being brought up in an anti-God culture.  I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m just surmising.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t always know exactly why God does things the way He does things&#8230;if we did then we wouldn&#8217;t have the need to trust Him.  Sometimes things that appear cruel to us might be the kindest thing in the long run.  God knows us humans by the love we share with those around us; our intellectual acumen is only a tool that can be used for good or ill to that purpose, although He gives the super intelligent the pleasure of experiencing all that such a developed and exercised gift can arouse.  So maybe we all need to learn more about what the facets of love are and how they are demonstrated by examining WHY God operates the way He does, but always with the humility that He is the Creator, and we the created.  If anti-Christian atheists would examine the ENTIRE bible as open-mindedly as possible, then maybe they would even be able to help Christians see the truth more clearly.  Mr. Duke&#8217;s writing, Mr. Ingles&#8217; inquiries and thoughts, and other commenters posts have certainly stimulated thinking more on God&#8217;s attributes and the reasoning of what constitutes heaven and free will.  I would not mind if I lose my free will in heaven, I believe, as long as there isn&#8217;t any of the awful suffering that creatures can experience here.  The New Covenant, brought in by Jesus&#8217; death and resurrection, gives one hope for something better, anyhow.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61158</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61158</guid>
		<description>And in this fbaginski we are in agreement.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in this fbaginski we are in agreement.  Thank you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: fbaginski</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61155</link>
		<dc:creator>fbaginski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61155</guid>
		<description>Carl, I see your point.  I did not explain myself well.  The greater point is not censorship, it is teaching our kids to place all of this in perspective.  Watching a movie or playing a game is not evil of itself. If our kids are taught the Word and understand that evil does exist then they can be exposed to the worst (and they will) and hopefully not allow it to become part of them.  Scripture says that it is not what goes into you that says who you are but what comes out of you.  One can enjoy many artforms that may contain a message that we don&#039;t agree with.  Christianity does not do a good job of separating the message from the vehicle.  This has lead many to toss Christianity.

Leigh,
Job 40:15-24
Job 41:1-34</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, I see your point.  I did not explain myself well.  The greater point is not censorship, it is teaching our kids to place all of this in perspective.  Watching a movie or playing a game is not evil of itself. If our kids are taught the Word and understand that evil does exist then they can be exposed to the worst (and they will) and hopefully not allow it to become part of them.  Scripture says that it is not what goes into you that says who you are but what comes out of you.  One can enjoy many artforms that may contain a message that we don&#8217;t agree with.  Christianity does not do a good job of separating the message from the vehicle.  This has lead many to toss Christianity.</p>
<p>Leigh,<br />
Job 40:15-24<br />
Job 41:1-34</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Leigh</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/25/evil/comment-page-1/#comment-61152</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/10/31/evil/#comment-61152</guid>
		<description>To fbahinski, comment25.

&quot;But they laugh at the book of Job where Job lives with dinosaurs&quot;

Where is this in the Book of Job? (out of interest)

Doesn&#039;t the Book of Job explain evil? I always thought it did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To fbahinski, comment25.</p>
<p>&#8220;But they laugh at the book of Job where Job lives with dinosaurs&#8221;</p>
<p>Where is this in the Book of Job? (out of interest)</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t the Book of Job explain evil? I always thought it did.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

