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"It's a Tea Party revolt year, and taxpayers will be voting out career politicians like John McCain who voted for the billion dollar TARP pork bailouts and co-sponsored cap and trade legislation." McCain has an 81% lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union. JD Hayworth has a 98% rating.





Watch David Schweikert's new TV ad: He opposes the bailouts, Obamacare, and is tough on border security





Arizona Tea Parties produce video asking why McCain was absent from the Stand by Arizona rally





JD HAYWORTH V. MCCAIN NEWS

The making of a John McCain attack video

Why this Vietnam POW is supporting JD over McCain

Sonoran Alliance poll: Should Deakin bow out of race?"

Why John McCain should vote for JD Hayworth for the U.S. Senate

Jim Deakin: Part of the McCain strategy to win?

Vietnam POW, friend of McCain, endorses JD Hayworth

Jim Deakin: "Tea Party Activist" or wannabe McCain?

MSNBC Schultz on McCain: "Biggest political opportunist of the century"

Hello to the McCain government staffers illegally doing opposition research on JD on my website AGAIN, an FEC violation

McCain's new word for amnesty: "Regularize"

New York Magazine article on McCain: Palin wouldn't even return his phone calls

JD trounces McCain in AZ Tea Party poll

Rocky Mountain Poll doctored to give McCain big lead over Hayworth

Hayworth thanks Selig for keeping All-Star Game in Phoenix despite protesters

McCain "chose lying" then; is doing same now

JD Hayworth massively leading McCain in Sonoran News poll

McCain has flip-flopped from right to left to save his Arizona seat in the Senate

Slate: The Saddest Senator - Why John McCain has become so painful to watch

It's all an act for McCain

Richardson counting on McCain pro-amnesty vote

McCain shape-shifter; no statesman

Hayworth launches first television ad

Vet confronts McCain on his poor history of voting for Vets; catches him lying about having a "100%" record

McCain pushes amnesty on trip

Senator McCain urged to let go, retire

Why is Deakin staying in the race, taking votes away from Hayworth, helping McCain?

The Real McCain website

National Review sells out (was threatened?) and endorses Hayworth over McCain

Arizona Republic, John McCain="Epic Fail"

The Tea Party race of the year

http://sonoranalliance.com/2010/06/23/mccain-a-maverick-la-raza-can-rely-upon/

Mark Levin discusses on his radio show why he is supporting Hayworth over McCain

McCain, Obama - Allies for Amnesty

Spoiler Deakin stays in race

Never-before released video of McCain with convicted felon

Another National Review writer disagrees with its endorsement of McCain over Hayworth

John McCain still supports amnesty and knows it - numerous video clips

Why Jim Deakin Should Support JD Hayworth for the US Senate

Morning Joe: Remembering John McCain’s dirty politics & dirty campaigning

Joe Scarborough: “John McCain is NOT a Conservative!”

Neil Cavuto on John McCain: “You Have No Convictions”

John McCain and the Keating Five

If it's Sunday, it's John McCain on the TV news shows

Mark Levin responds to National Review's bizarre endorsement of McCain over Hayworth

Video of Jim Deakin: Says he has 20% support when he has only 7%

Hayworth releases three videos disputing McCain's charges

McCain must come clean on lobbyist ties

Where's McCain? Fails to join 8 Senators denouncing Obama's amnesty plan

McCain hypocritically hides free government grant info off his website today

Hayworth statement on National Grant Conferences

Hypocrisy: McCain website prominently contains lengthy info on how to receive government grants

McCain's Millions on Ads Misfiring; Poll Shows he Faces the "Specter" of Defeat

More Silly, Spurious, Speciousness from Team McCain

Who’s the Real Lobbyist? John McCain or JD Hayworth?

John McCain: Hypocrite on lobbyists

National Review's Mark Levin slams McCain's record - he's no conservative even on earmarks/spending

Biggest McCain flip-flop ever - says he never supported amnesty

AP: Bailout vote could claim 2 more GOP lawmakers (bad news for McCain)

Analysis of Hayworth-McCain Rasmussen poll: McCain dropped in points due to 3rd-party candidate Deakin

NY Times: McCain is running just to stay in place

New Rasmussen poll: McCain drops below 50% down to 47%, 5 points, dangerous territory for an incumbent

Company behind the infomercial JD Hayworth appeared in donated $9,400 to McCain

Hundreds show up for Sheriff Arpaio's BBQ birthday party with JD Hayworth

Another Arizona Tea Party video against McCain

McCain challenged to debate on "Any Given Sunday">

Another Arizona Tea Party group endorses Hayworth

McCain frivolous FEC complaint rejected

Convicted Ponzi scheme criminal Rothstein was top contributor to McCain's campaign

Hayworth calls on McCain to admit knowing Rothstein

More McCain Ponzi problems; dirty money donors three, four and five

John Fund: John McCain was all about Washington

Politico lists McCain as one of top two Senators most likely to be ousted next in their primary

McCain hypocritically attacking JD Hayworth for others' earmarks - while McCain is huge earmarker for defense jobs in AZ

Yet another McCain donor pleads guilty in elaborate Ponzi scheme

McCain urged to establish fund for Ponzi victims whose money ended up financing his campaign

McCain's convenient loss of memory regarding his friendship with convicted Ponzi scheme contributor

John McCain fundraiser sentenced to 50 years for $1.2 billion Ponzi scheme

Quotes you never heard before from John McCain

McCain senior advisor Grant Woods was fined for hiring illegal immigrant nanny

Ward campaign clarifies TV ad featuring Ward's former Treasurer supporting McCain

New McCain ad features woman who chooses Dem. Harry Mitchell over JD Hayworth

McCain’s Senior Advisor Grant Woods: “To be an Arizonan is to be a part of Mexico”

Life Decisions International: Pro-life leaders favor Hayworth over McCain

Desperation: McCain rips off the AZ Right to Life website

McCain polling as poorly as Arlen Specter - and Specter lost

AZ Right to Life endorses McCain: I resign

Hayworth has better record than McCain on pro-life issues

Bob Bennett ousted in GOP primary over TARP....Is McCain next?

McCain Meltdown

McCain flip-flopping on TARP; pretends he only supported billion dollar mortgage bailouts

Front page Arizona Republic article calls McCain out on border security flip-flopping

NY Times on McCain's "Danged Fence" - he should be apologizing to Arizona," is "backtracking all over the place"

JD Hayworth launches "The Complete Danged Truth" website

Rep. John Shadegg and Joe Scarborough mock McCain's "Danged Fence" ad

Washington Post's The Fix: Has John McCain started to panic?

Respected political analyst Charlie Cook calls race "dead even"

McCain labeled flip-flopper by media

Glenn Beck RIPS John McCain this morning!

Hayworth challenges McCain to challenge Kagan

Utah Senator Bob Bennett ousted from GOP primary due to TARP support; will McCain be next?

JD Hayworth launches social networking site for supporters

McCain attacking JD Hayworth much more than he attacked Obama

Candid interview with JD from a citizen in Tucson

JD reaches $255,100 goal of money bomb to put video ads on TV

Arizona Republic columnist on McCain refusing to debate JD: "This time, JD is right"

"Stop Running! - Let's Debate!" Says Hayworth

From SB1070 to JD's book on illegal immigration: "Whatever it Takes"

Deakin risks his political future in AZ by staying in Senate race; is he a secret McCain ally?

Jim Deakin, helping McCain get reelected?

McCain calls Goldman Sachs "unethical" despite taking their money

JD Hayworth only US Senate candidate in Arizona to sign AFP's No Climate Tax pledge

Prominent Republicans seek refunds from Crist; McCain has close ties, refuses to

Hayworth re-issues debate challenge to McCain; 65 days since he first asked

Video: Have you met the two McCains?

Poll shows Hayworth leading McCain among conservatives

Margaret Carlson: McCain has entered witness protection program for politicians seeking to change their identity for election purposes

More speculation on whether McCain will run as an Independent like Crist

Video: JD Hayworth takes McCain and SB1070 on Fox News

Video: JD Hayworth responds to McCain's election year conversion on border security

Hayworth welcomes Gov. Brewer's signature on SB1070

Arizona Police Association endorses JD Hayworth for Senate

Michelle Malkin endorses JD Hayworth

Quid pro quo? Top contributors to McCain's campaign benefited from pork bailouts he voted for

McCain sends out desperate letter pleading for funds for radio & TV ads; pretends he doesn't support pork barrel spending

McCain's long history of flip-flopping on gay marrage

John McCain's whimsical world of conservatism

Left wing Salon admits Hayworth will also win a general election - yet still bashes McCain for flip-flopping

Tucson Border Patrol union denounces McCain's election year conversion on border security

TwiceRight.com: Young Conservative puts forth "My case for JD Hayworth"

Hayworth calls McCain's new immigration plan "Election Year Gimmick"

Which John McCain is the real John McCain? The maverick or someone who denies he's a maverick?

Syndicated Columnist Leonard Pitts: R.I.P.: Paying Final Tribute to John McCain's Deceased Integrity

Border Agents Accuse McCain of Being a "Sellout"

New Rasmussen Poll Shows McCain Collapsing

Rasmussen: McCain lead over Hayworth plummets to under 5 points

Video of McCain running from camera when asked about JD Hayworth!

Hayworth, Thomas and Schweikert among most prominent politicos at Tempe Tax Day Tea Party, McCain didn't even have a booth

Hayworth v. McCain: How to Put the Fear of God into the GOP



Hayworth Exceeds $1 Million in Donations in First Six Weeks - raising money faster than Rubio


JD Hayworth on Arizona's sanctuary city bill

McCain crude ad attacking Hayworth backfires; criticized by leading strategists on both sides

JD Hayworth calls on McCain to oppose possible Hillary Clinton appointment to Supreme Court; no response

Hayworth to McCain: Stop Stalling Debates

McCain campaign wastes time with goofy college kid ad attacking JD; ducking requests for substantive debate

Hayworth endorsed by National Association of Police Organizations

The Daily Caller: McCain should run as an Independent

Border-line Delusional: John McCain in his own words

Hundreds Attend Biggest AZ Republican and Conservative Events of the Year: JD Hayworth Keynote, McCain Missing

World Magazine: McCain's reputation for crossing party lines costing him with his base

Hayworth Pledges Obamacare Repeal, McCain Lags Behind

Former Attorney General refuses to apologize for violent remark: "A stake should be driven through Hayworth's heart"

Interview with Pajamas Media: JD drafted the tax cuts that McCain opposed

Jon Stewart's Daily Show documents McCain's flip-flops: Say Anything

New Non-Maverick McCain running for US Senate

Wall Street Journal calls McCain out on new flip-flop claiming he is not a maverick

Hayworth v. McCain analogous to Tea Party v. D.C.

More evidence of McCain flip-flopping on calling himself a maverick

McCain supporters inaccurately attack Maricopa GOP for hosting JD at event

Newsweek: Another McCain flip-flop - now denies he's a maverick

Samuel J. “Joe The Plumber” Wurzelbacher on JD Hayworth

Sarah Palin's Folly: Stumping for John McCain

The Terry Anderson Show features catchy folk song, "McCain's Gotta Go"

Another Tea Party group leaning towards Hayworth: Tea Party Express

Tea Party Express rally in Phoenix attracts thousands; JD Hayworth and Joe the Plumber main speakers with McCain nowhere to be found

Joe the Plumber and JD Hayworth headline Ax the Tax rally in Phoenix; McCain noticeably absent

McCain performing poorly in Fox News poll, "Can McCain save his seat?"

Palin unable to save McCain, only 2500 show up for rally in greater Phoenix area

Palin rally in Tucson full of dissenters and JD Hayworth supporters

Fox News coverage of the Sarah Palin Supporters for JD Hayworth facebook page

NY Daily News: McCain "fighting for his political life" against Hayworth

Hayworth endorses tough AZ immigration bill; McCain stays silent

Sign the Stop McCain Amnesty Petition

JD talks candidly with voters in Sierra Vista about his differences with McCain

Los Angeles Times: McCain facing toughest reelection battle in two decades

Who shares your values? McCain v. Hayworth

Top 10 reasons conservatives dislike McCain

McCain and Keating: 'Till Death Do Us Part'

Top 10 Reasons Conservatives Dislike McCain

McCain supporter leaves despicable comment insulting blue-collar workers

Right Wing News interview with JD Hayworth asks all the tough questions

Protest in Tucson against Sarah Palin campaigning for McCain gaining momentum

Prominent McCain endorser Grover Norquist funneled money from Abramoff

Joe the Plumber on collision course with McCain-Palin

Bad News for McCain campaign: National anti-illegal immigration group now raising money for JD Hayworth

McCain attacks Hayworth for voting for border security bill

McCain's millions buy typically misleading Washington ad

JD Hayworth trounces MSNBC's liberal Rachel Maddow

Tea Partiers produce powerful video for JD Hayworth

Tea Party movement finds McCain its least-liked Republican

New facebook group: John McCain Farewell Tour 2010

Even liberal AZ Republic slams McCain over flip-flopping

McCain claims amnesia then flip-flops on bill he proposed with Democrat

Arizona Vets for JD Hayworth

New Ad asks, "What has McCain done for Arizona?" Nothing

Border Patrol Council endorses JD Hayworth

Hayworth Opposes McCain's Anti-Small Business Legislation

Looks like Glenn Beck is endorsing JD Hayworth over McCain

McCain's false "birther" attacks on Hayworth

Tax Day Tea Party endorses Hayworth

McCain calls open borders opponents Nazis

Video of Mark Levin explaining his endorsement of Hayworth

JD Hayworth: Sole conservative candidate for US Senate

Major endorsement: Gun Owners of America endorses Hayworth

With Hayworth, has McCain met his Waterloo

John McCain's TARP claim cowardly

Los Angeles Times compares Hayworth-McCain race to Rubio-Crist race

Major immigration group endorses Hayworth

McCain blames everyone else except himself for voting for TARP pork bailouts

Hayworth endorsed by Phoenix Law Enforcement Union

Conservative Radio Show Host Rush Limbaugh Breaks Down McCain’s “Rhino-Republican” Tactics Against U.S. Senate Candidate J.D. Hayworth

McCain's endorsements? Hardly

McCain criticizes Hayworth for voting for funding "Snakes in Guam" - yet voted for them himself

Meghan McCain opposing traditional marriage on Twitter

Joe the Plumber goes off on McCain, said he "screwed up my life"

Why JD Hayworth will beat McCain for US Senate

Letter to Sarah Palin from a Maricopa County Republican Officer

Senator Jim DeMint's Senate Conservative Fund backs conservative candidates - but not McCain

McCain refused to sign Grover Norquist's anti-tax pledge

Dick Armey's FreedomWorks clarification: He did not endorse McCain

McCain flip-flops on cap and trade, global warming

Don Goldwater urges support for JD Hayworth

Sheriff Joe Arpaio launches national fundraising appeal for JD Hayworth

Meghan McCain blasts Tea Party movement, Palin on The View

Graph contrasts Hayworth's consistent conservative record with McCain's sporadic spiraling record

Treasury Secretary Paulson calls out McCain's financial crisis bluff in new book

JD Hayworth: Why I will Challenge John McCain

Wall Street Journal: McCain "facing a surprisingly strong primary challenge from the right"

John Kerry McCain? AZ Senator flip-flops on "Don't Ask Don't Tell" Ask him then, Ask him now, Two different answers

Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily predicts Hayworth will beat McCain for US Senate

Arguments I never expected: Hayworth is no more conservative than McCain

McCain drain on taxpayers: 2007 Amnesty Plan would have cost taxpayers $2.6 Trillion (Heritage Foundation)

McCain approval ratings drop to Keating-Five levels

McCain straight derailed: Taxpayer group ranks Hayworth better on spending

Cindy McCain and gay marriage

JD Hayworth tied with McCain in Senate race poll - and he hasn't even entered the race yet





Interview with JD Hayworth Interview with Shane Wikfors from SonoranAlliance.com

Dirty politicking hits CD5 race with new push-poll

Authors of SB1070, Pearce and Kavanagh, endorse David Schweikert

Schweikert suggests issues for Harry Mitchell's campaign webpage which simply reads "Issues Coming..."

Ward campaign clarifies TV ad featuring Ward’s former Treasurer supporting McCain

New McCain ad features woman who chooses Dem. Harry Mitchell over JD Hayworth

Schweikert fundraiser last night an amazing event; raises over $10,000

Cutest campaign picture yet

Schweikert one of few candidates abiding by sign laws

Schweikert to Harry Mitchell: "You're Fired!"

Cleaning up Harry Mitchell's Dirty Laundry">

Friday the 13th Trillion

Yorkies for Schweikert!

Shih Tzu's for Schweikert!

It's time to boycott Harry Mitchell!

National Review: Schweikert in likely matchup against Mitchell; poised to defeat him

Rep. Harry Mitchell sending out taxpayer-funded mailers that look like campaign ads

We've beaten our goal of raising $10,000 online this week!

David Schweikert calls on Harry Mitchell to join him in supporting SB1070

David Schweikert discusses illegal immigration and anchor babies

Jim Ward breaks pledge not to play dirty in AZ CD5 race; runs push-poll

Schweikert finishes quarter with highest cash on hand

Susan Bitter Smith falsely implies that Arpaio has endorsed her - AGAIN!

Join David Schweikert on May 4th for a fun evening of Dessert Deserts with gourmet chef Jan D'Atri, KFYI's Barry Young and Cruella Michella Buffy Lee Larson

David Schweikert is first Congressional candidate in AZ to turn in signature petitions

Arpaio issues statement: Has NOT endorsed Susan Bitter Smith

http://sonoranalliance.com/2010/04/17/why-is-liberal-republican-susan-bitter-smith-running-for-congress-again/

April 15 has been redefined

Best photo of a David Schweikert yard sign wins Starbucks!

Ever wonder why liberal Democrat Congressman Harry Mitchell voted for the Healthcare takeover?

AZ Right to Life PAC endorses David Schweikert

Concerned Women PAC endorses David Schweikert

Who is Chris Salvino for Congress in CD-5?

Obamacare: The Truth About Mitchell's Vote

Harry Mitchell voted for Obamacare

Mitchell's "Yes" Sells Out District for Obama and Pelosi

Harry Mitchell's State of the District Address AKA an Excuse for Doing Nothing

Nancy Pelosi Rewards Harry Mitchell with $15,000

'Pelosi INdex' synchs Mitchell with Pelosi 67%

Polls show David Schweikert would easily beat Harry Mitchell

Harry Mitchell Watch


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The Latest, Greatest Body Count

It is easy to base one's opposition to the war on conspiracy theories, hyper-inflated statistics and a kit bag of clichés from the 1960s about giving peace a chance.

Amid reports of declining civilian casualties in Iraq, a British polling and market research company called Opinion Research Business has come forward with the claim that over 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the American-led invasion of Iraq. (Actually, the official press release is titled "More than 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered" — a rather telling turn of phrase.) ORB surveyed 1,499 adults and inquired about household deaths. Taking into account the poll's margin of error, ORB concluded that the body count could be as low as 733,158 or as high as 1,446,063. The high-end figure would mean that roughly 900 civilians have been "murdered" each day since the invasion.

Curiously, ORB’s numbers conflict with my own independent, but equally rigorous, research involving a dartboard and a Magic Eight Ball. Taking into account the margin for error (missing the dartboard altogether and the Eight Ball turning up “Reply hazy, try again” followed by “Better not tell you now”), I’ve concluded that between 37 and 41 Iraqi civilians have been killed since March 2003.

Want to bet my numbers are closer to the actual civilian body count than ORB’s numbers?

All right, I know it’s wrong, even obscene, to treat the subject of civilian deaths lightly. But it is arguably even more wrong to troll for absurd, can-you-top-this casualty figures, as is the wont of commentators on the political Left, in order to justify their opposition to the war in Iraq. That’s why the ORB poll is destined to replace the 2006 Lancet study as the new ghoulish gospel in the hearts and minds of war critics.

You remember the Lancet study, don't you? Researchers from the British medical journal conducted a survey of 1,849 randomly selected households across Iraq, inquiring about family fatalities immediately before and after the March 2003 start of the war. They then tallied the responses, gauged the differentials, multiplied out their results by the entire Iraqi population, and concluded that there had been roughly 600,000 "excess deaths" as a result of violence associated with the war. But how, you might ask, did the researchers know their respondents weren't exaggerating the death toll? Because, they assured us, over 90% of the respondents who claimed that a family member had died were able to produce a death certificate.

Except if you multiply out the death certificate numbers, that means over 90% of those 600,000 violent deaths would have accompanying death certificates — i.e., more than 540,000 death certificates.

Who issued them?

Certainly not the Iraqi government, which is currently still reporting roughly 75,000 civilian fatalities due to the violence of the war.

The actual civilian death toll in Iraq may never be known with great accuracy. For what it's worth, the left-of-center researchers at the Iraq Body Count website, who shun the dubious survey and projection methodology employed by both ORB and Lancet, put the current tally between 74,000 and 82,000 — a range which feels more realistic and seems to jibe with high-end estimates by responsible media sources. But that proves little since IBC includes in its total only “individual or cumulative deaths as directly reported by the media or tallied by official bodies (for instance, by hospitals and morgues) and subsequently reported in the media.” Thus, you've got a circularity problem: IBC relies on media reports for its tally, so it's no coincidence its tally would more or less match up with media reports.

Still, there is a larger point to make here. Even though the final verdict on George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq and oust Saddam Hussein is not yet in, is indeed years away — except perhaps in the drooling precincts of protest rallies, faculty lounges, and Bill Maher's studio audience — there is already enough solid, verifiable evidence to argue plausibly either that the project was a strategic blunder from its conception, or that it was conducted in such an ineffective way as to become a blunder. Such arguments are difficult to construct however; they require facts and logic, as well as a grasp of counterarguments. How much easier, for folks on the Left, to base their opposition to the war on conspiracy theories, hyper-inflated statistics and a kit bag of clichés from the 1960s about giving peace a chance. (Is there a more definitive sign of intellectual cowardice than to oppose a war on the grounds that you are "for peace"?) Such is the cutting edge of their rhetoric. Such is the depth of their desperation to be right.

So let them rant.

The rest of us can grieve, quietly, for the civilian casualties, whatever their true number, give thanks that they’re trending down, and hope for a resolution in Iraq that ends them.

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6 comments to The Latest, Greatest Body Count

  • Ivan Ivanovich

    The world average death rate is 8.37 per 1,000. That would place deaths in a country of 25 million during the last 4.5 years at 900,000. There is no doubt that some Iraqis have died from military action, but a death certificate proves nothing regarding who was responsible for the death, nor does it prove the innocence of those who died. Remember that this list of “murdered” includes Saddam, Uday, and Husay. During this same period over 200,000 people have died on America’s highways. Let’s keep our perspective.

  • sedonaman

    In their enthusiasm to condemn America, these organizations have inadvertently demonstrated the need for enforcement of the Law Of Armed Conflict (LOAC), which they have been demanding the US to ignore:

    “Armed conflict places large numbers of civilians [and other protected non-combatants] on all sides of a conflict in grave situations where the risks of death, suffering, loss, and other depredations are extremely high. This is especially so when combatants disguise themselves unlawfully as protected noncombatant civilians. LOAC has long been designed to mitigate the risks to civilians by clearly distinguishing lawful combatants (such as uniformed military personnel under a responsible chain of command, who carry arms openly, and who are obliged to, and do, follow international law) from unlawful combatants (such as members of the Taliban who en masse do not meet the four criteria of lawful belligerency and who en masse have willfully and continually failed to follow LOAC, and al-Qaeda who en masse are stateless and whose right to take up arms is not recognized under international law); [and who all correctly deserve the name ‘hostes humani generis,’ the common enemies of mankind].” (Emphasis added) – “Al-Qaeda and Taliban unlawful combatant detainees, unlawful belligerency, and the international laws of armed conflict,” Air Force Law Review, Spring, 2004, by Joseph P. Bialke

    The inescapable conclusion is that it is not the US that is responsible for however many deaths that have occurred because of the war, but that of the unlawful combatants; and they are responsible for every last one of them – on both sides.

    Since LOAC also covers the treatment of unlawful combatants, by extension, these organizations have also inadvertently justified the need for the Guantanamo detention facility and even “torture” to extract information from these “stateless” terrorists.

  • Bob Stapler

    Sedonaman,

    Interesting proposition. However, as I understand it, LOAC is policy, not law in the strict sense. UCMJ is U.S. law, the Geneva Conventions are International Law, and both of these are incorporated within LOAC. In the strict sense, LOAC is the directive our government gives to our military to adhere to these laws, including many situational specifications. Is this correct, or have I missed something?

  • Bob Stapler

    http://docs.law.gwu.edu/stdg/gwlr/issues/pdf/GWLR75_5-6_Detter.pdf

    Interesting link on how little jurist know of the Law or War, and how that is, itself a violation of these laws. According to this source, "There is an obligation under all the 1949 Geneva Conventions to teach the law of war so that the “entire population” is aware of the rules."

  • sedonaman

    Bob Stapler, #3:

    Thank you for the reference. The statement, "…exaggerated, well-meaning
    attitudes are perilous to the survival of the law of war, as they germinate seeds which undermine the legal system to the detriment of those who deserve to enjoy traditional privileges, such as regular soldiers and civilians," and the subsequent sentences, capture the essence of what I understand the purpose of the LOAC.

  • sedonaman

    Bob Stapler:

    “In the strict sense, LOAC is the directive our government gives to our military to adhere to these laws, including many situational specifications. Is this correct, or have I missed something?”

    I went to officers training school during the Vietnam war, and I cannot remember anything being taught about the laws of war except that I was obligated to provide only name, rank, and serial number if captured, and was given a “capture card” that identified me as a member of the armed forces of a country that had signed the Geneva Convention (this at least identified me as a legitimate combatant). IOW, I was not given any training at all on the laws of war.

    The US has always exceeded the laws in its treatment of enemy combatants. At the end of WW-II, as part of the repatriation process, the government asked EPWs (enemy prisoners of war) to write a statement on how they were treated. One German prisoner who was interned in the US wrote that his advice to anyone in the next war was to join the side opposite the US, get captured, and spend the duration in one of its EPW camps. Other things from my own research are, for example, the capturing nation must feed its prisoners at least at the same level as it feeds its own troops in the field, and it must hold them in an area with a climate similar to that where they were captured. Have you heard of our troops getting fed as well as the terrorist captives? Also from my own research, the US teaches its own “rules of engagement” (ROE) in the academies. Here again, the ROE go far beyond what is required by Geneva. For example, hiding among the civilian population and buildings is against the laws of war. If you as an American soldier are receiving fire from an enemy combatant (legitimate or not) in an otherwise protected building, such as a church, you can legitimately return fire as long as your target is the enemy and not the building. If the building is damaged in the process, that’s just unfortunate … and the reason for the law prohibiting hiding in a protected building. Under the ROE, you cannot return fire. In my opinion, this is a mistake for several reasons; the main one is the more America does to correct its faults, the worse (not better) the remaining imperfections appear. (I notice that Israel has gotten itself in the same predicament during the war against Hammas last year.)
    And I think that is precisely why we got to where we are in the whole Guantanamo debacle.

    Thanks for the good info. I had no idea that Geneva required the whole population to be taught the laws of war.

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