I never said, “love it or leave it;” I said support it or find another that you can support.

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. The trouble is that liberal criticism for at least the last 47 years has been decidedly DEstructive, with one liberal demand leading to another until we’ve reached the present point of an ever-expanding universe of demands that are virtually insatiable.

There is nothing new about liberal ideas; they’ve been around for as long as man. If any ideas have been tried and found wanting, they are liberal ones. As Paul Johnson says, “The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in numerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.” If you think you have an original idea, go to the library and research it out.

Here is the ever-expanding list (in alphabetical order) of ideas liberals support:

Abortion
Abolition of private property
Abolition of tradition
Adultery
Affirmative Action
“Alternative lifestyles”
Anti-Americanism
Anti-democracy
Anti conservative speech
Anti school-choice
Anti-subsidiarity
Assisted suicide
Citizenship for known terrorists
Death taxes
Defeat for America
Defiance of legitimate authority
Distribution of condoms in K-12
Diversity (except viewpoint)
Euthanasia
Female masturbation workshops in universities
Fornication
Glorification of debauchery
Godless Marxism
Gun Control
“Hate” crimes laws
Hate for the Christian religion
Hate for those of faith (except Islamics and Islamic bombers)
Homosexual special rights
Intolerance of the good
Isolationism
K-12 Indoctrination into Godless Marxism
K-12 Indoctrination into homosexuality
K-12 sex education
Lack of moral clarity
Moral equivalency
Moral Relativism
Nietzscheism
Obliteration of God from the public square
Parole of vicious criminals
Pedophilia (except by Catholic priests and Republicans)
Polylogism
Pro-Europeanism
Racial quotas
Radical egalitarianism
Redistribution of OTHER peoples’ money
Release of known terrorists
Same-sex “marriage”
Sodomy
Speech codes
The individual human will (will to power)
Tolerance of evil
Tolerance Über Alles
UN one-world government
Unlimited government
Unlimited taxation
“Victimless” crimes
Voting rights for aliens (legal or otherwise)
Voting rights for felons

There is only one word (besides “liberal”) that could describe a group that supports such destructive ideas: traitors. A poster on another site wrote: “It is the liberals’ fascination with death and communism that is the prime mover of such dementia.”

Never saw it put any better.

“My country, right or wrong, is still my COUNTRY, after all.”

did you not notise my indictmint of liberels’ over critucal asesment of histery? gess naught.

why wood i dare want too critisise my own countrey when it makes misteaks? cood it bee becuz i want my countrey too bee beter, too nought maik similur misteaks in the fuchure?

jee…gess we woodnt ever want too be progresive, to progres. and if iritating librals did’nt point out the misteaks wee mite nevur evur corect misteaks…

i sea the hole thang az soart uv a too step fourword, won step bak prosess. thank gawd four us liburuls or hoo noes, wee mite bee fashists bye naw!

well, sedonaman, love it or leave it, eh? better have that “(sic)” thing ready on the clipboard if you’re going to quote my scribblins on this little thingymabobber!

Well, can’t you understand why “righties” think it “is some kind of abominable uhmuruhkuh [sic] hatin’ [sic] treasonous threat” when you consider that no matter how much America does to better itself, the WORSE, not better, libruls say America is? And can’t you understand why “righties” think it “is some kind of abominable uhmuruhkuh [sic] hatin’ [sic] treasonous threat” when you consider that no matter how BAD libruls say America is, not a single one has voted with his feet? Kinda makes us also think you don’t believe your own rhetoric. The only other reason for staying here would be to paint a picture of a disunited country in the eyes of America’s enemies.

You might also consider that, like what Chesterton said about Christianity, it’s not the IDEA of America that has failed, but it is that some Americans (i.e., PEOPLE) have failed to lived up to its ideals. IOW, misusing freedom is nothing new (see original sin).

Instead of focusing on the “iniquity of the past,” why not celebrate how far we have come? How many countries in the history of the whole world have come as far as the US? libruls like to call themselves “progressives”; well, be progressive, not REgressive. No matter what we do, we CAN’T change the past, but we can stop judging the past by today’s librul standards. How would you like to be judged by conservative standards that might rule “230 years” in the future?

Work within the system to change it if you think it contains serious deficiencies. The problem with you self-righteous libruls (like them self-righteous Christians) is you are a small minority that wants changes the vast majority do not; ergo, America is “iniquitous” because it is “sinning” against librul “commandments”. Notice here that in your criticism of America, past or present, is with reference to what LIBRULS want (and they want it instantly, I might add), and not compared to what is the norm in other countries of the world. Conclusion: Since their country cannot attain the impossible librul dream, libruls don’t support America; therefore, they are traitors.

And that, my friend, is what I consider the “rational middle ground”.

“My country, right or wrong, is still my COUNTRY, after all.”

is there not some rational middle ground between the type of adolescent right wing attitude exemplified above and its counterpart on the silly left?

i mean, some righties seem to think that any acknowledgement of mistakes, much less (gasp) iniquity on the part of our country in the 230 years of our existance is some kind of abominable uhmuruhkuh hatin’ treasonous threat. what redonkulous, tribal mentality, rah rah team, pseudo-fascist, vile, anti-intellectual stupidity! the inability to recognize one’s mistakes, both procedural as well as moral, is in fact essential to future success. to deny one’s country has made mistakes and stupidly insist it has always acted with the purest of motivations is childish and undemocratic. i love my mommy, but i love her as she is, an imperfect human being, not some kind of idealized myth. it is possible to love something/someone that is quite imperfect. emotionally refusing to see flaws makes it impossible to correct them…

now the flip side of this is indeed the silly, adolescent, “everything sux” view of the symbionese liberation army mentality left. although the author exagerates the size/influence of this group, they have indeed been more powerful in the past and will probably return in the future. these folks impute their own mindsets onto all past generations and consider almost anything less than perfection to be vile and evidence that indeed “everything sux”. incapable of understanding the inescapable nature of human imperfection, often narcissistically spoiled and completely unaware of this, they flail about, looking to masochistically find fault in any phenomenon, debunk anything positive, and condemn that which is less than perfect if it disagrees with their ideological point of view or if such demonization serves the same.

the fact is that indeed our country has done some pretty crappy things in its time, as well as some pretty amazingly decent things. history should not be studied to feel good about one’s national identity nor to prove one’s ideology.

i indeed love my country…but i love her as she is, good, bad, noble and vile, for all have indeed characterized her actions at one time and place or another…

This has to go down as one of my all-time favorite quotes.