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		<title>By: Patrick Mulligan</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/12/03/ann-coulter-the-phenomenon/comment-page-1/#comment-66270</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Liberals are as justified in criticizing the conservative movement for paying her respect as conservatives are in criticizing liberals for being solicitious of Al Sharpton.&quot;

I don&#039;t remember Ann Coulter ever accusing innocent people of rape and refusing to apologize for it (on multiple occasions spanning 25 years), or seriously and furiously spewing racist bile. So with all due respect, don&#039;t be a moron. You don&#039;t like Ann Coulter, and that&#039;s great. But don&#039;t be one of these idiots who draws insane comparisons to horrendous historical figures for people who clearly are not the same, in any manner, as the horrendous historical figures they are being compared to. George W. Bush is not Hitler, the World Trade Center wasn&#039;t occupied by &quot;little Eichmann&#039;s&quot; and Ann Coulter is not a race-baiting bald-faced liar who strong arms people by leveraging her race.

&quot;Political correctness is best challenged by people who understand that it has some good points. Using the word “faggot,” for instance, to describe a Presidential candidate is rightfully frowned upon because it is rude. It’s when political correctness demands more than mere politeness that it needs to be opposed.&quot;

Not calling people names is not political correctness. As you mentioned, it&#039;s &quot;mere politeness&quot;. Political correctness is not being able, by threat of punishment, to say, or even think, a particular word because it is found to be offensive by one minority group. Wop, mick, honkey, whitey, white boy, cracker and redneck are all acceptable for use in the public square, but faggot, spic or, dare I even say it, the &quot;N&quot; word, are not. That is hypocrisy. That is political correctness. If you had been at all aware of some of the entertainment news headlines that were going around at the time when Coulter made the remark that so offended your sensibilities, you might understand the satirical and humorous undertones. You see, a prominent actor at the time was forced by his employers and pressure groups to seek rehabilitation because he called a co-worker &quot;faggot&quot; during the course of an argument. As it turns out, another one of his co-workers, completely unrelated to the argument, was homosexual, and so the remark apparently called into question his mental health. So when Ann Coulter responded to a question at the CPAC by saying &quot;I would comment on John Edwards&#039; campaign, but apparently you have to go to rehab if you say the word faggot&quot;, she was making what&#039;s sometimes called a social commentary, using irony to make light of a situation considered to be serious. Some people find statements that highlight some irony or hypocrisy in society (often done through analogy) to be humorous. In fact, some professional entertainers (called &quot;comedians&quot; within the entertainment field) base their entire careers on such commentary. There are even entire feature-length films based around the concept.

&quot;And so that’s what this comes down to: a dispute between those who think that the best way to respond to name-calling is to respond in kind and those who would rather not become the thing they despise. In other words, nine-year-olds versus adults. &quot;

Not at all, actually. Using that same analogy, what it really comes down to is some people being unable to recognize that it is not possible, nor desirable, nor necessary to have complex, deeply involved discussions about very serious issues with belligerent 9 year olds. Instead of inviting a belligerent 9 year old to a formal debate of academic standards and acting as if his belligerent 9 year old viewpoints are worthy of scholarly scrutiny, sometimes you just have to treat a 9 year old like a 9 year old. The fundamental reason for your rabid hate of Ann Coulter is a complete lack of understanding of her message and her methodology, and your irrational belief that we should treat illogical, hypocritical ideas, ideologies, and situations as if they are worthy of some higher level of debate when they in fact are not, all in the name of some perceived moral high ground.

&quot;General rule for would-be satirists: if you constantly have to explain to people when you are joking, you’re probably doing something wrong.&quot;

That a satirist of a conservative political persuasion has to explain him or her self could be considered proof positive of the very object they are satirizing! Judging by your statements, I&#039;m doubtful that you actually have a working knowledge of satire from any first-hand exposure to it, but in case you&#039;re ever exposed to it in all of its hideous vulgarity, it is often times defined by irreverence for, and breaking of, prevailing social taboos (defined in our present society as PC New-think orthodoxy). And, as you are illustrating quite humorously by your comments, it is often times rejected by people who hold the object being satirized as dogmatic social doctrine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Liberals are as justified in criticizing the conservative movement for paying her respect as conservatives are in criticizing liberals for being solicitious of Al Sharpton.&#034;</p>
<p>I don&#039;t remember Ann Coulter ever accusing innocent people of rape and refusing to apologize for it (on multiple occasions spanning 25 years), or seriously and furiously spewing racist bile. So with all due respect, don&#039;t be a moron. You don&#039;t like Ann Coulter, and that&#039;s great. But don&#039;t be one of these idiots who draws insane comparisons to horrendous historical figures for people who clearly are not the same, in any manner, as the horrendous historical figures they are being compared to. George W. Bush is not Hitler, the World Trade Center wasn&#039;t occupied by &#034;little Eichmann&#039;s&#034; and Ann Coulter is not a race-baiting bald-faced liar who strong arms people by leveraging her race.</p>
<p>&#034;Political correctness is best challenged by people who understand that it has some good points. Using the word “faggot,” for instance, to describe a Presidential candidate is rightfully frowned upon because it is rude. It’s when political correctness demands more than mere politeness that it needs to be opposed.&#034;</p>
<p>Not calling people names is not political correctness. As you mentioned, it&#039;s &#034;mere politeness&#034;. Political correctness is not being able, by threat of punishment, to say, or even think, a particular word because it is found to be offensive by one minority group. Wop, mick, honkey, whitey, white boy, cracker and redneck are all acceptable for use in the public square, but faggot, spic or, dare I even say it, the &#034;N&#034; word, are not. That is hypocrisy. That is political correctness. If you had been at all aware of some of the entertainment news headlines that were going around at the time when Coulter made the remark that so offended your sensibilities, you might understand the satirical and humorous undertones. You see, a prominent actor at the time was forced by his employers and pressure groups to seek rehabilitation because he called a co-worker &#034;faggot&#034; during the course of an argument. As it turns out, another one of his co-workers, completely unrelated to the argument, was homosexual, and so the remark apparently called into question his mental health. So when Ann Coulter responded to a question at the CPAC by saying &#034;I would comment on John Edwards&#039; campaign, but apparently you have to go to rehab if you say the word faggot&#034;, she was making what&#039;s sometimes called a social commentary, using irony to make light of a situation considered to be serious. Some people find statements that highlight some irony or hypocrisy in society (often done through analogy) to be humorous. In fact, some professional entertainers (called &#034;comedians&#034; within the entertainment field) base their entire careers on such commentary. There are even entire feature-length films based around the concept.</p>
<p>&#034;And so that’s what this comes down to: a dispute between those who think that the best way to respond to name-calling is to respond in kind and those who would rather not become the thing they despise. In other words, nine-year-olds versus adults. &#034;</p>
<p>Not at all, actually. Using that same analogy, what it really comes down to is some people being unable to recognize that it is not possible, nor desirable, nor necessary to have complex, deeply involved discussions about very serious issues with belligerent 9 year olds. Instead of inviting a belligerent 9 year old to a formal debate of academic standards and acting as if his belligerent 9 year old viewpoints are worthy of scholarly scrutiny, sometimes you just have to treat a 9 year old like a 9 year old. The fundamental reason for your rabid hate of Ann Coulter is a complete lack of understanding of her message and her methodology, and your irrational belief that we should treat illogical, hypocritical ideas, ideologies, and situations as if they are worthy of some higher level of debate when they in fact are not, all in the name of some perceived moral high ground.</p>
<p>&#034;General rule for would-be satirists: if you constantly have to explain to people when you are joking, you’re probably doing something wrong.&#034;</p>
<p>That a satirist of a conservative political persuasion has to explain him or her self could be considered proof positive of the very object they are satirizing! Judging by your statements, I&#039;m doubtful that you actually have a working knowledge of satire from any first-hand exposure to it, but in case you&#039;re ever exposed to it in all of its hideous vulgarity, it is often times defined by irreverence for, and breaking of, prevailing social taboos (defined in our present society as PC New-think orthodoxy). And, as you are illustrating quite humorously by your comments, it is often times rejected by people who hold the object being satirized as dogmatic social doctrine.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey hvance man, I like ivory. It&#039;s just that I can&#039;t seem to find much of it anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey hvance man, I like ivory. It&#039;s just that I can&#039;t seem to find much of it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: hvance</title>
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		<dc:creator>hvance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix:
Glad to see you read my post. Buy yourself an ivory tower and then get out of it. If you are going to blast Ann or anyone else in the manner you did, you should expect comments like mine. I fully anticipated yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix:<br />
Glad to see you read my post. Buy yourself an ivory tower and then get out of it. If you are going to blast Ann or anyone else in the manner you did, you should expect comments like mine. I fully anticipated yours.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/12/03/ann-coulter-the-phenomenon/comment-page-1/#comment-65425</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...&quot;Ted Kennedy remarked this spring, &#039;Ann Coulter&#039;s words of hate have no place in the public sphere much less our political discourse&#039;.&quot;....

That was an obscenely ridiculous remark for Kennedy to make.  Of course. Agreed.

...&quot;Ann Coulter may be the most important conservative in America.&quot;....

If this is true, then conservatism has already gone the way of liberalism, the way of all flesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#034;Ted Kennedy remarked this spring, &#039;Ann Coulter&#039;s words of hate have no place in the public sphere much less our political discourse&#039;.&#034;&#8230;.</p>
<p>That was an obscenely ridiculous remark for Kennedy to make.  Of course. Agreed.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#034;Ann Coulter may be the most important conservative in America.&#034;&#8230;.</p>
<p>If this is true, then conservatism has already gone the way of liberalism, the way of all flesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Katzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can you not see that she is using rough humor to expose the liberals?&quot;

P.J. O&#039;Rourke, Mark Steyn, and Jonah Goldberg use humor to &quot;expose the liberals.&quot;  Coulter&#039;s attempts at humor (1) are usually not funny and (2) impossible to distinguish from her serious points.  General rule for would-be satirists:  if you constantly have to explain to people when you are joking, you&#039;re probably doing something wrong.

The stuff about &quot;big government&quot; and my &quot;ivory tower&quot; and starving colonists is hilarious, but irrelevant and/or wrong (i.e., I don&#039;t have and ivory tower, and I don&#039;t support big government).  But feel free to throw in whatever.

Here&#039;s an idea:  Ann Coulter is a disgrace, and everyone should stop buying her books and reading her columns.  Is this a good idea?  Let the market decide.  I don&#039;t understand why attacking someone&#039;s style offends you so much:  If my style were to respond to your post by calling you names (or by absurdly demanding that you &quot;get out of your ivory tower&quot;), of course you would object.  And it would be rank hypocrisy for me or one of my defenders to get all sniffy about &quot;personal attacks&quot; and how hvance isn&#039;t &quot;attack[ing] [my] message with solutions&quot; in the &quot;marketplace of ideas.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Can you not see that she is using rough humor to expose the liberals?&#034;</p>
<p>P.J. O&#039;Rourke, Mark Steyn, and Jonah Goldberg use humor to &#034;expose the liberals.&#034;  Coulter&#039;s attempts at humor (1) are usually not funny and (2) impossible to distinguish from her serious points.  General rule for would-be satirists:  if you constantly have to explain to people when you are joking, you&#039;re probably doing something wrong.</p>
<p>The stuff about &#034;big government&#034; and my &#034;ivory tower&#034; and starving colonists is hilarious, but irrelevant and/or wrong (i.e., I don&#039;t have and ivory tower, and I don&#039;t support big government).  But feel free to throw in whatever.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s an idea:  Ann Coulter is a disgrace, and everyone should stop buying her books and reading her columns.  Is this a good idea?  Let the market decide.  I don&#039;t understand why attacking someone&#039;s style offends you so much:  If my style were to respond to your post by calling you names (or by absurdly demanding that you &#034;get out of your ivory tower&#034;), of course you would object.  And it would be rank hypocrisy for me or one of my defenders to get all sniffy about &#034;personal attacks&#034; and how hvance isn&#039;t &#034;attack[ing] [my] message with solutions&#034; in the &#034;marketplace of ideas.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: hvance</title>
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		<dc:creator>hvance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katzen: Your assessment of Ann is sadly shallow. Can you not see that she is using rough humor to expose the liberals? If you would get out of your ivory tower and try to come up with a solution you might find that she is correct in her assault on the left. Big government is all that you apparently know and that is sad. Have confidence in your fellow American that he can do better than being saddled by government. Do you not recall the story of Jamestown where they all nearly starved because of no incentives?  Cut through her veneer, listen to her message, attack the message by coming up with an answer and then let the market decide. When you do this she will go away. By attacking her style, is and should be, beneath you. I don&#039;t attack Sharpton personally, I attack his message with solutions. If I am found to be right, then Sharpton will sink into oblivion, if not, I will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katzen: Your assessment of Ann is sadly shallow. Can you not see that she is using rough humor to expose the liberals? If you would get out of your ivory tower and try to come up with a solution you might find that she is correct in her assault on the left. Big government is all that you apparently know and that is sad. Have confidence in your fellow American that he can do better than being saddled by government. Do you not recall the story of Jamestown where they all nearly starved because of no incentives?  Cut through her veneer, listen to her message, attack the message by coming up with an answer and then let the market decide. When you do this she will go away. By attacking her style, is and should be, beneath you. I don&#039;t attack Sharpton personally, I attack his message with solutions. If I am found to be right, then Sharpton will sink into oblivion, if not, I will.</p>
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		<title>By: Katzen</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/12/03/ann-coulter-the-phenomenon/comment-page-1/#comment-65369</link>
		<dc:creator>Katzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whatever one thinks of her personality, all rightists owe her a debt of gratitude because everyday she acts as a lightning rod . . . on our behalf.&quot;

Nonsense.  She is the actualization of the caricature liberals have constructed of conseratives.  Liberals are as justified in criticizing the conservative movement for paying her respect as conservatives are in criticizing liberals for being solicitious of Al Sharpton.  Her books are exceptionally unfunny, and they certainly make otherwise respectable conservative opinions seem deranged.

Political correctness is best challenged by people who understand that it has some good points.  Using the word &quot;faggot,&quot; for instance, to describe a Presidential candidate is rightfully frowned upon because it is rude.  It&#039;s when political correctness demands more than mere politeness that it needs to be opposed.  Coulter opposes any decorum whatsoever, but whines about liberals calling conservative&#039;s names.  After all, she&#039;ll say, they started it.

And so that&#039;s what this comes down to:  a dispute between those who think that the best way to respond to name-calling is to respond in kind and those who would rather not become the thing they despise.  In other words, nine-year-olds versus adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Whatever one thinks of her personality, all rightists owe her a debt of gratitude because everyday she acts as a lightning rod . . . on our behalf.&#034;</p>
<p>Nonsense.  She is the actualization of the caricature liberals have constructed of conseratives.  Liberals are as justified in criticizing the conservative movement for paying her respect as conservatives are in criticizing liberals for being solicitious of Al Sharpton.  Her books are exceptionally unfunny, and they certainly make otherwise respectable conservative opinions seem deranged.</p>
<p>Political correctness is best challenged by people who understand that it has some good points.  Using the word &#034;faggot,&#034; for instance, to describe a Presidential candidate is rightfully frowned upon because it is rude.  It&#039;s when political correctness demands more than mere politeness that it needs to be opposed.  Coulter opposes any decorum whatsoever, but whines about liberals calling conservative&#039;s names.  After all, she&#039;ll say, they started it.</p>
<p>And so that&#039;s what this comes down to:  a dispute between those who think that the best way to respond to name-calling is to respond in kind and those who would rather not become the thing they despise.  In other words, nine-year-olds versus adults.</p>
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		<title>By: hvance</title>
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		<dc:creator>hvance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>felix:
You apparently don&#039;t see through the veneer of abrasiveness that Ann loves to use. If you would just look at her points then you might be able to appreciate the message. It is her way of being noticed and I give her kudos for finding a way to get her message out. Now if you want to attack her style then that&#039;s ok, but don&#039;t pretend that her arguments are for blood just because she is an unabashed conservative. Take any of her points, tell her where she is wrong and how you would fix the point she is addressing. Try not to be angry (I realize that is a badge of honor with liberals) with your solutions, just state them and let the marketplace of ideas sort them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>felix:<br />
You apparently don&#039;t see through the veneer of abrasiveness that Ann loves to use. If you would just look at her points then you might be able to appreciate the message. It is her way of being noticed and I give her kudos for finding a way to get her message out. Now if you want to attack her style then that&#039;s ok, but don&#039;t pretend that her arguments are for blood just because she is an unabashed conservative. Take any of her points, tell her where she is wrong and how you would fix the point she is addressing. Try not to be angry (I realize that is a badge of honor with liberals) with your solutions, just state them and let the marketplace of ideas sort them out.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank G-d someone on this website has the courage to talk about Ann Coulter, since no one else is. Meanwhile, if you want to look at the effects of public figures on our future, I&#039;d spend less time commenting on the results of her rapier wit, and more time on the results of the blood lust that is driving the Republican party, of which she is a prime representative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank G-d someone on this website has the courage to talk about Ann Coulter, since no one else is. Meanwhile, if you want to look at the effects of public figures on our future, I&#039;d spend less time commenting on the results of her rapier wit, and more time on the results of the blood lust that is driving the Republican party, of which she is a prime representative.</p>
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		<title>By: hvance</title>
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		<dc:creator>hvance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann instead of being called a lightening rod should be dubbed a laser rod. Her keen insight and wit are certainly what the real hate mongers on the left fear. Wonder why it is that the cnn or msnbc bunch are so afraid of her. Come to think of it, has Fox started being a little pc itself? Her exposure there has abated a shade. 
If Ann is so wrong, why do the libs run and hide. They should expose her for what they think she is. Confront her mouth with answers and ideas instead of the touchy-feely garbage. The nyt&#039;s, cnn&#039;s, msnbc&#039;s and public radio should hang their heads in shame. Do they not have the talent and ideas to combat Ann? Apparently not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann instead of being called a lightening rod should be dubbed a laser rod. Her keen insight and wit are certainly what the real hate mongers on the left fear. Wonder why it is that the cnn or msnbc bunch are so afraid of her. Come to think of it, has Fox started being a little pc itself? Her exposure there has abated a shade.<br />
If Ann is so wrong, why do the libs run and hide. They should expose her for what they think she is. Confront her mouth with answers and ideas instead of the touchy-feely garbage. The nyt&#039;s, cnn&#039;s, msnbc&#039;s and public radio should hang their heads in shame. Do they not have the talent and ideas to combat Ann? Apparently not.</p>
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