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	<title>Comments on: Hillary Rodham, The Making of a Social Radical</title>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Stix</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/12/12/hillary-rodham-the-making-of-a-social-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-66495</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Stix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You blew it, GreginNY! You got greedy. Otherwise, you would never have dreamt of referring to Hillary Clinton as “running center/center right in relation to her fellow Democrats,” or equating “the far right” with “neoconservatives.”  

More nonsense: demanding “one of her ‘radical left’ positions that a consesus [sic] of mainstream voters would agree is a fringe left position.”

No “consesus [sic] of mainstream voters” exists. May I remind you that America has a two-party system. Given your sophistry, however, it is possible that such a “consesus” exists in your mind, since for leftists “mainstream” is merely a euphemism for socialist/communist. So, let’s see. Would a “consesus” of socialist/communist voters agree that Hillary Clinton holds any “fringe left” positions? Of course, not.

If I were to accept your sophistic ground rules, you would be unbeatable. But I’d be a fool – or a neoconservative — to do that. 

Note too that since America’s leftwing propaganda institutions have for over 40 years deceived the public from pre-K on, and variously ignored and demonized those who called a spade a spade, that the only people with the sense and the willingness to identify anything as radical Left are defined by that Left as of the “radical right” … or worse.

As the column pointed out, the woman is a follower of revolutionary Marxist Saul Alinsky who went to the extreme of keeping her undergraduate senior thesis under lock and key, in order to hide from the public her beliefs. She has also been a long-time member of the communist National Lawyers Guild. And she supports driver’s licenses for illegals.

She has done everything possible to hide her true politics. But not you, GreginNY. There’s only one political position, from which one could see in Hillary Clinton a “center/center right” politician: Communism.

Oh, and the correct phrase is “straw man.”

Nice try at &quot;framing,&quot; pal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You blew it, GreginNY! You got greedy. Otherwise, you would never have dreamt of referring to Hillary Clinton as “running center/center right in relation to her fellow Democrats,” or equating “the far right” with “neoconservatives.”  </p>
<p>More nonsense: demanding “one of her ‘radical left’ positions that a consesus [sic] of mainstream voters would agree is a fringe left position.”</p>
<p>No “consesus [sic] of mainstream voters” exists. May I remind you that America has a two-party system. Given your sophistry, however, it is possible that such a “consesus” exists in your mind, since for leftists “mainstream” is merely a euphemism for socialist/communist. So, let’s see. Would a “consesus” of socialist/communist voters agree that Hillary Clinton holds any “fringe left” positions? Of course, not.</p>
<p>If I were to accept your sophistic ground rules, you would be unbeatable. But I’d be a fool – or a neoconservative — to do that. </p>
<p>Note too that since America’s leftwing propaganda institutions have for over 40 years deceived the public from pre-K on, and variously ignored and demonized those who called a spade a spade, that the only people with the sense and the willingness to identify anything as radical Left are defined by that Left as of the “radical right” … or worse.</p>
<p>As the column pointed out, the woman is a follower of revolutionary Marxist Saul Alinsky who went to the extreme of keeping her undergraduate senior thesis under lock and key, in order to hide from the public her beliefs. She has also been a long-time member of the communist National Lawyers Guild. And she supports driver’s licenses for illegals.</p>
<p>She has done everything possible to hide her true politics. But not you, GreginNY. There’s only one political position, from which one could see in Hillary Clinton a “center/center right” politician: Communism.</p>
<p>Oh, and the correct phrase is “straw man.”</p>
<p>Nice try at &#8220;framing,&#8221; pal.</p>
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		<title>By: GreginNY</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/12/12/hillary-rodham-the-making-of-a-social-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-66285</link>
		<dc:creator>GreginNY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the first sentence, the author says, &quot;Most know that Hillary Rodham Clinton&#039;s politics veer to the outer fringes of the radical Left.&quot;

Can the author cite any position that Hillary Clinton has that demonstrate that her politics &quot;veer to the outer fringes of the radical left&quot;?  Further, I&#039;m not asking for a position that appears to be &quot;radical left&quot; to someone from the far right.  I&#039;m asking for one of her &quot;radical left&quot; positions that a consesus of mainstream voters would agree is a fringe left position.

I think Hillary&#039;s  trouble in the polls is due to her running center/center right in relation to her fellow Democrats.  She&#039;s far from a radical leftist...maybe too far to the right to win the primary.  I know she makes a nice straw woman for neoconservatives, but she&#039;s no radical.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the first sentence, the author says, &#8220;Most know that Hillary Rodham Clinton&#8217;s politics veer to the outer fringes of the radical Left.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can the author cite any position that Hillary Clinton has that demonstrate that her politics &#8220;veer to the outer fringes of the radical left&#8221;?  Further, I&#8217;m not asking for a position that appears to be &#8220;radical left&#8221; to someone from the far right.  I&#8217;m asking for one of her &#8220;radical left&#8221; positions that a consesus of mainstream voters would agree is a fringe left position.</p>
<p>I think Hillary&#8217;s  trouble in the polls is due to her running center/center right in relation to her fellow Democrats.  She&#8217;s far from a radical leftist&#8230;maybe too far to the right to win the primary.  I know she makes a nice straw woman for neoconservatives, but she&#8217;s no radical.</p>
<p>GreginNY</p>
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		<title>By: patriot-1</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/12/12/hillary-rodham-the-making-of-a-social-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-66167</link>
		<dc:creator>patriot-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pick your adjective(s) - socialist, far-left, self-absorbed, unscrupulous, deceptive, disingenuous, elitist, dangerous...........

Her election would put the public (and the rest of the world) in the position of not knowing her true intentions, and that deception is harmful to us, our friends, and puts our enemies in a potential position of initiating irrational actions directed at us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pick your adjective(s) &#8211; socialist, far-left, self-absorbed, unscrupulous, deceptive, disingenuous, elitist, dangerous&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Her election would put the public (and the rest of the world) in the position of not knowing her true intentions, and that deception is harmful to us, our friends, and puts our enemies in a potential position of initiating irrational actions directed at us.</p>
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		<title>By: William Woodford</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/12/12/hillary-rodham-the-making-of-a-social-radical/comment-page-1/#comment-66156</link>
		<dc:creator>William Woodford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lust for power imbued in Hillary by Saul Alinsky is right out of Orwell’s &lt;em&gt;1984&lt;/em&gt;, which expounds on a definition of power in Erich Fromm, &lt;em&gt;Escape from Freedom&lt;/em&gt; (New York: Rinehart &amp; Co., Inc., 1941)&#8212;&#8220;To them power is not a means; it is an end. &#8221; [see George Orwell, &lt;em&gt;1984&lt;/em&gt; (1949; New York: Penguin Group, 1961), p. 321.] Orwell’s novel gives the Party functionary lines such as &#8220;The Party seeks power for its own sake.&#8221;; and &#8220;One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes a revolution to establish the dictarorship.&#8221;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lust for power imbued in Hillary by Saul Alinsky is right out of Orwell’s <em>1984</em>, which expounds on a definition of power in Erich Fromm, <em>Escape from Freedom</em> (New York: Rinehart &amp; Co., Inc., 1941)&mdash;&ldquo;To them power is not a means; it is an end. &rdquo; [see George Orwell, <em>1984</em> (1949; New York: Penguin Group, 1961), p. 321.] Orwell’s novel gives the Party functionary lines such as &ldquo;The Party seeks power for its own sake.&rdquo;; and &ldquo;One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes a revolution to establish the dictarorship.&rdquo;</p>
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