So if you don’t believe in the clean air laws, will you take the catalytic converter off your car? If you don’t believe in income tax, will you stop paying the IRS? If you don’t believe in monogamy, will you marry more than one woman (simultaneously)?

Or would you admit that when your beliefs conflict with society, you should change your beliefs?

We win! We win! We have successfully convinced (at least Christian) believers that non-believers are at least as moral and ethical as believers and that religion should not be the basis for legislation! I never thought a simple message thread could have such a profound impact!! I think I shall go out and celebrate by eating some babies and cheating on my wife. :-))

Christians BELIEVE EVERYTHING you say is true for ALL Atheists. Christians do not argue with Atheists or anyone else about their beliefs. It matters not to Christians what you believe. If you are comfortable with your beliefs then this is what should matter to you.

These few simple words will be my last statement regarding Christian beliefs of which we are comfortable with regardless of the endless cascade of arguments from Atheists who deny God is.

Please try to comprehend these few simple words:

If Christians are correct in their beliefs that God is…then our fate remains in the hands of God.

If all you Atheists are correct denying God is…then your fate remains in your own hands.

P.S. For me, this is a wrap!

I never said that all religions are equally culpable in dastardly behavior. At present, I can pretty confidently say that Isalm represents the most insidious threat to civilization. These are 14th century minds with 20th century weapons and seeking 21st century weapons. But to say that Christianity is “all peace, all the time” is rather silly. Do you think if today’s weapons of war were available during the Inquisition and Crusades the numbers of dead would be a tad higher? Of course they would.

FromTheTop said: “Christians pray for peace, …”

Intercessory prayer has been empirically and rigorously demonstrated as ineffective. Sorry.

FromTheTop said: “Christians believe in the sanctity of life, …” and “Christians believe amendments are required to protect our Republic, our culture, our English language, our children’s education and our inalienable rights”

You seem totally oblivious to the ways that your position fails. Your “sanctity of life”, in your world stems from a divine soul imparted by your god at the moment that sperm meets egg. We, of course, believe no such thing and you have no evidence…not even bad evidence…to demonstrate that your position is true. In bronze-age times, they didn’t even know the microscopic egg and sperm existed. Hence, the whole idea that you can say that a soul is imparted at their meeting is, necessarily, made up by mortal, fallible man.

Again, going back to my earlier statement, it is perfectly in your rights to BELIEVE that, it is what you do with that belief where comes the rub. Your contention says that we need to NOT follow the most promising avenue of medical research. Research that could immeasurably reduce pain and suffering…all to save a cluster of cells with no nervous system and is incapable of feeling pain, much less have thoughts, hopes, dreams and desires. And you think that you are justified in passing legislation based on this…it is…er…”moronic”. Then you go on to say that you are protecting our children’s education which results in thinly disguised non-scientific, religious things taught in our children’s science class. I have no problem discussing it in philosophy class, but it is not science. Check out the NOVA episode “Judgement Day: Intelligent Design on Trial”

FromTheTop said: “Christians believe in separation of state and church, fvthinker! This is explicitly why the Pilgrims departed England to be free of the Crown as Head of state forever with only one religion

Listen to this eight minute Public Radio story that sheds some light on what really happened with religion in colonial times. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6529440
I learned some things. One being the “escaping state religion” was more motivated by being able to create their own mini-state religions in various colonies. They were horrible failures.
FromTheTop said: “… your fellow Atheists must cast your eyes toward heaven and observe your immediate surroundings and prove God is not.”
Very wrong. (I am embarrassed for you for making such a statement) Argument Theory 101 says that no one can disprove a negative. Can you disprove that I do not have a tiny unicorn in my desk drawer that is only visible to me? Of course not. Yet you wish for us to bend to your religious codes; hence you have to demonstrate their validity and truth. “Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence”

What a sick, sick thing to say. What a despicable piece of human trash you must be, and an embarrassment to the intellectually aware nonbelivers.

American Christians did that? No. Democrat Harry Truman did that. It was done in the spirit of collectivism. Japanese warmongers should have been held responsible for the atrocities of WW2, like the rape of Nanking, but instead Democrat Harry Truman dropped two atomic bombs on civilian populations.

Christian? That’s a sick thing to say. Something Stalin or Pol Pot probably said as justification for the atheist atrocities they committed. And it serves to shift blame. It was democratic collectivism that created a mentality that allowed people to be brutally punished for the crimes of their leaders.

American Christians dropped two nuclear weapons on two non-Christian cities in Japan in August, 1945, killing more than 100,000 innocent civilians.

FromTheTop continued: “Christians have and always will engage in war with the enemies of our Republic who attempt to rule Americans with a Marxist ideology.”

Are you seriously proposing that Islam is a Marxist ideology?

FromTheTop continued: “Christians believe in separation of state and church…”

Riiight. That’s why they keep trying to teach creationism, “creation science” and intelligent design creationism in public school biology classes – in spite of losing court case after court case.

FromTheTop continued: “Christians believe amendments are required to protect our Republic…”

Will these amendments protect the rights of other religions, or only Christians? Today there are more Buddhist Americans than there are Episcopalian Americans; there are more Islamic Americans than there are Presbyterian Americans. There are more Jews living in the United States than in Israel (about 5.5 million).

What do you propose doing with all these non-Christian Americans if your Christian Reconstructionist and Dominionist friends “take back America for Christ”? Will you respect and maintain the constitutional protection of their religious rights as American citizens? Or will you start building gas ovens?

I know that god is a creation of men, not the other way round. I do not hold that idea as a belief.

You’re right – there’s no point in discussing it. I was actually discussing the idea with fvthinker that there isn’t any entity responsible for “creating” the Universe. Why did you jump into our conversation, FromTheTop?