Comments on: Obama vs. McCain: The End of the Republican Party as a Home for Conservatives? http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/02/20/obama-vs-mccain-the-end-of-the-republican-party-as-a-home-for-conservatives/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:00:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: News | Serbian Unity Congress » Kosovo and the War on Terror, Intellectual Conservative http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/02/20/obama-vs-mccain-the-end-of-the-republican-party-as-a-home-for-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-71125 News | Serbian Unity Congress » Kosovo and the War on Terror, Intellectual Conservative Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:56:00 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/02/20/obama-vs-mccain-the-end-of-the-republican-party-as-a-home-for-conservatives/#comment-71125 [...] As I reported in my article “Obama vs. McCain” (apologies for mentioning McCain again), even the Director on National Intelligence (DNI), Mike McConnell, has admitted that al Qaeda and the Taliban have established a “de facto safe haven” straddling the Pakistan and Afghanistan border. [...] [...] As I reported in my article “Obama vs. McCain” (apologies for mentioning McCain again), even the Director on National Intelligence (DNI), Mike McConnell, has admitted that al Qaeda and the Taliban have established a “de facto safe haven” straddling the Pakistan and Afghanistan border. [...]

]]> By: casteroil http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/02/20/obama-vs-mccain-the-end-of-the-republican-party-as-a-home-for-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-70791 casteroil Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:13:39 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/02/20/obama-vs-mccain-the-end-of-the-republican-party-as-a-home-for-conservatives/#comment-70791 Typical uppety Republican-speak, starting his rebuttal with; "My, my, my Mr. McMillan". "Calm down", John McCain tells us (Conservatives)... George Bush, the elder, doesn't see why we (Conservatives) don't understand why we [can't] see that John McCain is one of the most Conservative members of the Senate. "I am tired to death of people telling me who is and who is not conservative, " Lawrence Eagleburger said, referring to conservative talk show hosts. Right on Mr. McMillan... On and on goes this kind of rhetoric from our "big tent", so called brethren". Instead of finding words that make us feel better about voting for John McCain, the Republican establishment chooses to instead prove why they are indeed referred to as blue-bloods; they actually believe they are "blue-bloods". The blue-bloods have been disregarding the best interests of this nation for years by pandering for votes and they can't figure out how to pander to a base of [their] party that, at some point soon, may well overwhelm them... Local blue-blood politicians, this means you too! So be it! Limbaugh, Hannity and others say what many of us think... We do not think what Limbaugh, Hannity and others tell us to think! News flash; criticize someone who is saying what others think and you are criticizing the others. The more [those people] tell us we are stupid, the more likely it becomes for John McCain to have problems in November... The blue-bloods are creating a much larger whole in their "big tent" then what has existed previously... They better do some number crunching and get their crap together! Conservatives, or whatever you want to call us, are probably all set to support McCain, but the blue-bloods won't leave it alone. They should just shut up til after the election; nuff said! John Schwark Typical uppety Republican-speak, starting his rebuttal with; “My, my, my Mr. McMillan”.

“Calm down”, John McCain tells us (Conservatives)…

George Bush, the elder, doesn’t see why we (Conservatives) don’t understand why we [can't] see that John McCain is one of the most Conservative members of the Senate.

“I am tired to death of people telling me who is and who is not conservative, ” Lawrence Eagleburger said, referring to conservative talk show hosts.

Right on Mr. McMillan… On and on goes this kind of rhetoric from our “big tent”, so called brethren”. Instead of finding words that make us feel better about voting for John McCain, the Republican establishment chooses to instead prove why they are indeed referred to as blue-bloods; they actually believe they are “blue-bloods”. The blue-bloods have been disregarding the best interests of this nation for years by pandering for votes and they can’t figure out how to pander to a base of [their] party that, at some point soon, may well overwhelm them… Local blue-blood politicians, this means you too! So be it!

Limbaugh, Hannity and others say what many of us think… We do not think what Limbaugh, Hannity and others tell us to think! News flash; criticize someone who is saying what others think and you are criticizing the others. The more [those people] tell us we are stupid, the more likely it becomes for John McCain to have problems in November… The blue-bloods are creating a much larger whole in their “big tent” then what has existed previously… They better do some number crunching and get their crap together! Conservatives, or whatever you want to call us, are probably all set to support McCain, but the blue-bloods won’t leave it alone. They should just shut up til after the election; nuff said! John Schwark

]]> By: jfking http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/02/20/obama-vs-mccain-the-end-of-the-republican-party-as-a-home-for-conservatives/comment-page-1/#comment-70783 jfking Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:41:09 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/02/20/obama-vs-mccain-the-end-of-the-republican-party-as-a-home-for-conservatives/#comment-70783 My, my, my Mr. McMillan you do ramble on and on don't you. Your grasp of American politics is as bad as your grasp of geopolitics and history. First of all sir you might be well informed to know that at the conclusion of WWII there were most assuredly insurgents in Germany. They were the infamous Werewolf battalions. To put these people down the US Army along with British, French and Russian forces destroyed entire towns to teach the population a lesson. The French and Russians even utilized rape battalions to keep the Germans in line. Is this what you are advocating in Iraq and Afghanistan? Also there were over 2 million occupying soldiers in Germany and we had total control. All of this still led to the first elections in Germany taking almost 10 years to accomplish. We are far ahead of that schedule now in Iraq. What the American military has accomplished in Iraq has never been done before in the history of this planet. What they have been able to do under the restraints placed upon them is nothing short of miraculous. You sir in some misguided thinking want us to give all of that up? You keep wanting to gender up fear mongering with regards to the number of casualties suffered so far in Iraq. If you take the total number of combat casualties to date in Iraq we have lost fewer soldiers then were lost in the first 48 hours of D Day. (You were the one who wanted to drag WWII into a discussion.) If you are going to do that then please do it legitimately. Japan was a different creature then any other war the US had ever fought before, during or since. They had an emperor who was revered as a deity and when he told his people to cease all fighting they did so. To take your argument further using your numbers if we stay in Iraq and Afghanistan and lose the number of casualties that you claim then that will be less then half by a considerable amount that we lost during WWII. This is America Mr. McMillan and in America our politicians answer to those who elect them. They are the servants of their constituencies. Mr. Obama's constituency is the extreme antiwar elements of his party. He knows full well that if he is elected those people will accept nothing else but the full and complete pullout of all American forces from Iraq and Afghanistan. They want nothing more or less then the entire dismantling of our armed forces. To say that Obama and McCain are alike is ludicrous and silly. You are delusional claiming that. I served on John McCain's father's staff when he was CINCPAC. I know the family, they will fight. Obama won't end of story. Obama is an empty suit. The next time you go on a tirade against McCain because you don't like some of the legislation he passed please counter it with just one piece of legislation that carried Obama's name. Just one of any of the vast pieces of legislation that he has passed. You won't be able to do this sir because he has not passed any. You strike me as one of those sycophants at one of Obama's rallies with tears running down your cheeks and jumping up and down for an empty suit with nice rhetoric. Ridiculing John McCain's patriotism and what he endured at the hands of the North Vietnamese shows you to be a small and meaningless person. It takes more then the ability to type to be a man. It takes more then the ability to spout jingoistic phrases to be a conservative. John McCain has an 83% conservative voting record in the House and the Senate. Obama has a 100% liberal voting record in the Senate. So let me get this straight somewhere in your delusions and your bizarre thinking you believe we should dump a highly decorated military veteran with an 83% conservative voting record for a neophyte who never served in the military and has a 100% liberal voting record. I have that straight? You actually believe we should do that. You sir need 24 hour care if you believe that. Your arguments in regards to Afghanistan are laughable. You claim territory. You claim that 54% of the country lies under Taliban control. Sir only 25% of that country is habitable. If the Taliban wish to claim a desert or a range of mountains when they are the only ones there beside goats and sheep so be it. I am still trying to parlay the bizarre thinking you have towards Pakistan. You want us to withdraw all of our forces some 10,000 miles and wait and then come back? That is the brilliant strategy that you and Obama wish to follow? When I read his comments, and I read them from start to finish I was amazed that anyone with such a flimsy grasp of that area and of geopolitics could receive even one vote for President let alone be on the verge of taking his Party's nomination. Sir I have been all through the Middle East. I have been in Afghanistan and Iraq. You do not know of what you speak. I am not quite sure what to make of you sir. I do know the democrats have a long history of putting people out to claim they are Republicans when in essence they are not. They are just there to sow dissension within the Republican ranks. I do know that if you are a conservative and you are what you say you are then I feel sorry for you. Pity is probably a more applicable term. I pity you. I have made this very personal against you because I grow tired of so called conservatives making highly personal attacks against John McCain. I want you to know how it feels to have attacks launched against you. The last time you went off on one of your bizarre rants against John McCain I said tongue in cheek that you needed to check your steroids. Well I guess I was right you are just a steroid conservative; deep voice, muscles, consumed with rage and no balls. My, my, my Mr. McMillan you do ramble on and on don’t you. Your grasp of American politics is as bad as your grasp of geopolitics and history.
First of all sir you might be well informed to know that at the conclusion of WWII there were most assuredly insurgents in Germany. They were the infamous Werewolf battalions. To put these people down the US Army along with British, French and Russian forces destroyed entire towns to teach the population a lesson.
The French and Russians even utilized rape battalions to keep the Germans in line. Is this what you are advocating in Iraq and Afghanistan? Also there were over 2 million occupying soldiers in Germany and we had total control. All of this still led to the first elections in Germany taking almost 10 years to accomplish. We are far ahead of that schedule now in Iraq. What the American military has accomplished in Iraq has never been done before in the history of this planet. What they have been able to do under the restraints placed upon them is nothing short of miraculous. You sir in some misguided thinking want us to give all of that up?
You keep wanting to gender up fear mongering with regards to the number of casualties suffered so far in Iraq. If you take the total number of combat casualties to date in Iraq we have lost fewer soldiers then were lost in the first 48 hours of D Day. (You were the one who wanted to drag WWII into a discussion.) If you are going to do that then please do it legitimately.
Japan was a different creature then any other war the US had ever fought before, during or since. They had an emperor who was revered as a deity and when he told his people to cease all fighting they did so.
To take your argument further using your numbers if we stay in Iraq and Afghanistan and lose the number of casualties that you claim then that will be less then half by a considerable amount that we lost during WWII.
This is America Mr. McMillan and in America our politicians answer to those who elect them. They are the servants of their constituencies. Mr. Obama’s constituency is the extreme antiwar elements of his party. He knows full well that if he is elected those people will accept nothing else but the full and complete pullout of all American forces from Iraq and Afghanistan. They want nothing more or less then the entire dismantling of our armed forces. To say that Obama and McCain are alike is ludicrous and silly. You are delusional claiming that.
I served on John McCain’s father’s staff when he was CINCPAC. I know the family, they will fight. Obama won’t end of story. Obama is an empty suit. The next time you go on a tirade against McCain because you don’t like some of the legislation he passed please counter it with just one piece of legislation that carried Obama’s name. Just one of any of the vast pieces of legislation that he has passed.
You won’t be able to do this sir because he has not passed any. You strike me as one of those sycophants at one of Obama’s rallies with tears running down your cheeks and jumping up and down for an empty suit with nice rhetoric.
Ridiculing John McCain’s patriotism and what he endured at the hands of the North Vietnamese shows you to be a small and meaningless person. It takes more then the ability to type to be a man.
It takes more then the ability to spout jingoistic phrases to be a conservative.
John McCain has an 83% conservative voting record in the House and the Senate. Obama has a 100% liberal voting record in the Senate. So let me get this straight somewhere in your delusions and your bizarre thinking you believe we should dump a highly decorated military veteran with an 83% conservative voting record for a neophyte who never served in the military and has a 100% liberal voting record. I have that straight? You actually believe we should do that. You sir need 24 hour care if you believe that.
Your arguments in regards to Afghanistan are laughable. You claim territory. You claim that 54% of the country lies under Taliban control. Sir only 25% of that country is habitable. If the Taliban wish to claim a desert or a range of mountains when they are the only ones there beside goats and sheep so be it.
I am still trying to parlay the bizarre thinking you have towards Pakistan. You want us to withdraw all of our forces some 10,000 miles and wait and then come back? That is the brilliant strategy that you and Obama wish to follow? When I read his comments, and I read them from start to finish I was amazed that anyone with such a flimsy grasp of that area and of geopolitics could receive even one vote for President let alone be on the verge of taking his Party’s nomination.
Sir I have been all through the Middle East. I have been in Afghanistan and Iraq. You do not know of what you speak.
I am not quite sure what to make of you sir. I do know the democrats have a long history of putting people out to claim they are Republicans when in essence they are not. They are just there to sow dissension within the Republican ranks.
I do know that if you are a conservative and you are what you say you are then I feel sorry for you. Pity is probably a more applicable term. I pity you.
I have made this very personal against you because I grow tired of so called conservatives making highly personal attacks against John McCain. I want you to know how it feels to have attacks launched against you.
The last time you went off on one of your bizarre rants against John McCain I said tongue in cheek that you needed to check your steroids. Well I guess I was right you are just a steroid conservative; deep voice, muscles, consumed with rage and no balls.

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