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		<title>By: Ivan Ivanovich</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71689</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Ivanovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they use the same yardstick. They don&#039;t like conservatives saying anything good about Bush, the fact that life begins at conception, Obama&#039;s racist pastor, the blue dress, and a whole list of other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they use the same yardstick. They don&#039;t like conservatives saying anything good about Bush, the fact that life begins at conception, Obama&#039;s racist pastor, the blue dress, and a whole list of other issues.</p>
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		<title>By: sedonaman</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71688</link>
		<dc:creator>sedonaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just find it strange that the Second Amendment is interpreted by liberals to be most restrictive to the individual, while the First Amendment right of free speech is interpreted in the broadest sense so that &quot;Debbie&quot; (as in “Does Dallas”) flouting her gyrating pudenda qualifies as a protected right of &quot;expression&quot;. 

One would think they would use the same liberal yardstick for all Amendments; but then again, there’s nothing consistent about liberals except their inconsistency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just find it strange that the Second Amendment is interpreted by liberals to be most restrictive to the individual, while the First Amendment right of free speech is interpreted in the broadest sense so that &#034;Debbie&#034; (as in “Does Dallas”) flouting her gyrating pudenda qualifies as a protected right of &#034;expression&#034;. </p>
<p>One would think they would use the same liberal yardstick for all Amendments; but then again, there’s nothing consistent about liberals except their inconsistency.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Ivanovich</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71684</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Ivanovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Stapler
I think that if the UN attempted to restrict the gun rights of US citizens they would find thier butts in the East River in a New York minute. Let&#039;s just wait until June and see what Mr. Roberts and company have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Stapler<br />
I think that if the UN attempted to restrict the gun rights of US citizens they would find thier butts in the East River in a New York minute. Let&#039;s just wait until June and see what Mr. Roberts and company have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Stapler</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71683</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Stapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My link (above) does not work from here, so instead goto http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu2/2/sessions.htm , and click on the session report for 2003.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My link (above) does not work from here, so instead goto <a href="http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu2/2/sessions.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu2/2/sessions.htm</a> , and click on the session report for 2003.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Stapler</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71682</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Stapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am only up to page 55, but already this article highlights a number of issues at least as important as the &#039;right to bear&#039; question.  For example, there is the question of an unelected, non-legislative body (U.N. Human Rights Commission) promulgating what are or will become laws; to be imposed on sovereign nations.  There is nothing in the U.N. charter that gives it a power to legislate or its judiciary to judge or alter our laws subject to ‘international’ law.   It specifically states &quot;Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.&quot; (i.e., only the Security Council can institute Chapter VII enforcement measures.)  Chapter VII gives the U.N. power to intervene in hostilities between countries only.

Then, there is the matter of the UN-HRC acting contrary to its own charter by taking sides against Israel and shielding some of the worst abusers of human-rights on the planet.  Not surprising when you realize the commission is composed of appointees from Libya, Cuba, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Russia, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Tunisia, China, and Pakistan.  There have been few HR commissioners from democratic countries since the early 1990s.

All of this is but the tip of the iceberg, however.  Read http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/e06a5300f90fa0238025668700518ca4/6395d27097af5ed0c1256e1600569325/$FILE/G0316227.pdf for an idea just how far our ‘internationalists’ friends intend intruding on our sovereignty.  The U.N. has set itself up as ultimate arbiter of what constitutes ‘human rights’ violations; and reads like a socialist wish-list.  It does not limit its ‘mandate’ to wishing or recommending.  It fully intends this as binding on every nation, regardless of charter status, legality, acceptance, consequence, or merit.

Just as an example of the implications should our government concede this, consider section 46 – Human Rights of Migrants.  What is described therein is nothing less than full amnesty for illegals now and in perpetuity mandated by an extra-national commission.  It makes it a crime, in this country, to even suggest closing our borders to invasion, mandates unchecked services to illegals (medical, education, housing, training, &amp;c), makes it illegal to use immigration status as a criteria for employment, makes tolerance a duty, subjects the prosecuting of foreign nationals for crimes committed and apprehended here to the laws of their nation of origin, makes it our responsibility that illegals (while sneaking in) are given safe, unhindered passage, guarantees border guards will be prosecuted for doing their job, makes it illegal arresting illegals for the crime of being here illegally, makes it our responsibility to protect them from the consequences of their own illegal actions (e.g., rescue them from coyotes, debt-bondage, &amp;c), limits the legislation we can pass to control our borders, uses children as a vehicle for shielding illegal alien adults, protects the flow of plunder out of the country, eradicates borders between adjacent countries, and it proclaims December 18 as ‘International Migrants Day’.  It recommends burying all this within a framework of immigration control, the better to get ratification from individual states; and was passed without so much as a vote by the U.N. General Assembly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am only up to page 55, but already this article highlights a number of issues at least as important as the &#039;right to bear&#039; question.  For example, there is the question of an unelected, non-legislative body (U.N. Human Rights Commission) promulgating what are or will become laws; to be imposed on sovereign nations.  There is nothing in the U.N. charter that gives it a power to legislate or its judiciary to judge or alter our laws subject to ‘international’ law.   It specifically states &#034;Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.&#034; (i.e., only the Security Council can institute Chapter VII enforcement measures.)  Chapter VII gives the U.N. power to intervene in hostilities between countries only.</p>
<p>Then, there is the matter of the UN-HRC acting contrary to its own charter by taking sides against Israel and shielding some of the worst abusers of human-rights on the planet.  Not surprising when you realize the commission is composed of appointees from Libya, Cuba, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Russia, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Tunisia, China, and Pakistan.  There have been few HR commissioners from democratic countries since the early 1990s.</p>
<p>All of this is but the tip of the iceberg, however.  Read <a href="http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/e06a5300f90fa0238025668700518ca4/6395d27097af5ed0c1256e1600569325/$FILE/G0316227.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/e06a5300f90fa0238025668700518ca4/6395d27097af5ed0c1256e1600569325/$FILE/G0316227.pdf</a> for an idea just how far our ‘internationalists’ friends intend intruding on our sovereignty.  The U.N. has set itself up as ultimate arbiter of what constitutes ‘human rights’ violations; and reads like a socialist wish-list.  It does not limit its ‘mandate’ to wishing or recommending.  It fully intends this as binding on every nation, regardless of charter status, legality, acceptance, consequence, or merit.</p>
<p>Just as an example of the implications should our government concede this, consider section 46 – Human Rights of Migrants.  What is described therein is nothing less than full amnesty for illegals now and in perpetuity mandated by an extra-national commission.  It makes it a crime, in this country, to even suggest closing our borders to invasion, mandates unchecked services to illegals (medical, education, housing, training, &amp;c), makes it illegal to use immigration status as a criteria for employment, makes tolerance a duty, subjects the prosecuting of foreign nationals for crimes committed and apprehended here to the laws of their nation of origin, makes it our responsibility that illegals (while sneaking in) are given safe, unhindered passage, guarantees border guards will be prosecuted for doing their job, makes it illegal arresting illegals for the crime of being here illegally, makes it our responsibility to protect them from the consequences of their own illegal actions (e.g., rescue them from coyotes, debt-bondage, &amp;c), limits the legislation we can pass to control our borders, uses children as a vehicle for shielding illegal alien adults, protects the flow of plunder out of the country, eradicates borders between adjacent countries, and it proclaims December 18 as ‘International Migrants Day’.  It recommends burying all this within a framework of immigration control, the better to get ratification from individual states; and was passed without so much as a vote by the U.N. General Assembly.</p>
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		<title>By: martin.musculus</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71680</link>
		<dc:creator>martin.musculus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, following the logic of the &quot;scholar&quot; would allow a violation of the &quot;cruel &amp; unusual&quot;...(pls forgive the shorthand ref.  PDA is cranky today - grin)

- martin.musculus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, following the logic of the &#034;scholar&#034; would allow a violation of the &#034;cruel &amp; unusual&#034;&#8230;(pls forgive the shorthand ref.  PDA is cranky today &#8211; grin)</p>
<p>- martin.musculus</p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Man</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71672</link>
		<dc:creator>Mountain Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jmklein,

Let&#039;s be clear in our understanding. Nothing in the Bill of Rights can be construed as having anything to do with ennumerating the rights of citizens. For example, the First Amendment begins, &quot;Congress shall make no law...&quot; The subject is Congress, and the purpose of the amendment is to tell Congress what it cannot do. 

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are written to define the scope and limits of the delegated authority of government. &quot;The people,&quot; in contradistinction to &quot;the government,&quot; are only mentioned incidentally in order to define the restraint of government.

That is why it is inaccurate to use terminology like a &quot;national right to freedom of religion.&quot; This right, and all other rights pre-date the Constitution, having been endowed by the Creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jmklein,</p>
<p>Let&#039;s be clear in our understanding. Nothing in the Bill of Rights can be construed as having anything to do with ennumerating the rights of citizens. For example, the First Amendment begins, &#034;Congress shall make no law&#8230;&#034; The subject is Congress, and the purpose of the amendment is to tell Congress what it cannot do. </p>
<p>The Constitution and Bill of Rights are written to define the scope and limits of the delegated authority of government. &#034;The people,&#034; in contradistinction to &#034;the government,&#034; are only mentioned incidentally in order to define the restraint of government.</p>
<p>That is why it is inaccurate to use terminology like a &#034;national right to freedom of religion.&#034; This right, and all other rights pre-date the Constitution, having been endowed by the Creator.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Ivanovich</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71669</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Ivanovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, does that mean that Roe v Wade does not apply in DC? It sounds like a Ron Paul position to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, does that mean that Roe v Wade does not apply in DC? It sounds like a Ron Paul position to me.</p>
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		<title>By: jmklein</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71665</link>
		<dc:creator>jmklein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 14th amendment incorporated federal rights into state jurisdiction. That is why there is a national right to freedom of religion which in the original intent only applied to Congress. While before the 14th amendment one could argue the right to keep and bear arms only applies to areas of direct federal jurisdiction, after the Civil War federalization of rights this is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 14th amendment incorporated federal rights into state jurisdiction. That is why there is a national right to freedom of religion which in the original intent only applied to Congress. While before the 14th amendment one could argue the right to keep and bear arms only applies to areas of direct federal jurisdiction, after the Civil War federalization of rights this is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Man</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/01/second-thoughts-about-the-second-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-71661</link>
		<dc:creator>Mountain Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether DC is a federal enclave or not is less important than the overriding fact that citizens live and work in DC, and it is their individual rights at stake.

The Constitution does not create rights, it only charges government to secure them (make them safe). A state has sovereignty to govern itself (however eroded that status might be), but neither it nor the feds have the power to diminish or rescind rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether DC is a federal enclave or not is less important than the overriding fact that citizens live and work in DC, and it is their individual rights at stake.</p>
<p>The Constitution does not create rights, it only charges government to secure them (make them safe). A state has sovereignty to govern itself (however eroded that status might be), but neither it nor the feds have the power to diminish or rescind rights.</p>
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