Comments on: The Schizophrenic’s Guide to “Global” Warming (1894-2008) http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:00:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: AMAI http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-72275 AMAI Sun, 25 May 2008 02:24:12 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/#comment-72275 Commander Bill, I only disagree with the idea that it is innate for man to blame himself. It's a vile trait that is taught by almost all "regular" philosophies and virtually all religions and most non-religious political systems. The foundation is laid and fertile for the gobbledygoop of the climate doomsdayers. Hardly anyone offers the idea that man's ability to solve problems of life and living have been demonstrated admirably. The freer countries are testament to man's need to be free of coercion by the state in order to live. Commander Bill, I only disagree with the idea that it is innate for man to blame himself. It’s a vile trait that is taught by almost all “regular” philosophies and virtually all religions and most non-religious political systems. The foundation is laid and fertile for the gobbledygoop of the climate doomsdayers. Hardly anyone offers the idea that man’s ability to solve problems of life and living have been demonstrated admirably. The freer countries are testament to man’s need to be free of coercion by the state in order to live.

]]> By: sedonaman http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-71800 sedonaman Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:17:50 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/#comment-71800 I also found out does no good to argue facts with a liberal whose mind is made up because, as has been observed here at IC many times, facts don’t matter. These are "True Believers," and liberalism is a religion to them, as also has been noted. I had been debating the matter of global warming with a liberal for a number of years. Much in the vein of Phillip Ellis Jackson’s friend Harry [http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/the-looney-liberal-chronicles-chapter-8], he is a "True Believer" in Al Gore, Michael Moore, and all the rest of the Hollywood know-it-alls. I kept feeding him articles with facts that question whether global warming is real and if man had anything to do with it. Finally, he made the astounding statement, "I really don't care if there is global warming or not, if this is the flag that must be waved to clean up our filthy environment, then I am for it." When I read that statement, I jumped back at least ten feet. Who said the environment was "filthy"? He certainly didn’t indicate anywhere in the whole exchange that cleaning it up was his real goal, until he made that statement. To me, it was a complete, off-the-wall non-sequitur. If cleaning up the environment is his goal, fine; he should have been arguing that instead of something that might not even be related. With that, I decided to end that debate. He also has Bush Derangement Syndrome – everything bad, literally, is Bush’s fault, even Hurricane Katrina. However, I never heard him, or any advocate for the environment for that matter, criticize Bush’s enemy Saddam, even once, for deliberately creating the greatest man-made ecological disaster in the history of the planet, setting fire to the oil fields. Nor does he assign any fault to Saddam for causing the Gulf War. Yes, Phil, the liberal mind is a wondrous thing indeed. I also found out does no good to argue facts with a liberal whose mind is made up because, as has been observed here at IC many times, facts don’t matter. These are “True Believers,” and liberalism is a religion to them, as also has been noted.

I had been debating the matter of global warming with a liberal for a number of years. Much in the vein of Phillip Ellis Jackson’s friend Harry [http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2007/the-looney-liberal-chronicles-chapter-8], he is a “True Believer” in Al Gore, Michael Moore, and all the rest of the Hollywood know-it-alls. I kept feeding him articles with facts that question whether global warming is real and if man had anything to do with it. Finally, he made the astounding statement, “I really don’t care if there is global warming or not, if this is the flag that must be waved to clean up our filthy environment, then I am for it.”

When I read that statement, I jumped back at least ten feet. Who said the environment was “filthy”? He certainly didn’t indicate anywhere in the whole exchange that cleaning it up was his real goal, until he made that statement. To me, it was a complete, off-the-wall non-sequitur. If cleaning up the environment is his goal, fine; he should have been arguing that instead of something that might not even be related. With that, I decided to end that debate.

He also has Bush Derangement Syndrome – everything bad, literally, is Bush’s fault, even Hurricane Katrina. However, I never heard him, or any advocate for the environment for that matter, criticize Bush’s enemy Saddam, even once, for deliberately creating the greatest man-made ecological disaster in the history of the planet, setting fire to the oil fields. Nor does he assign any fault to Saddam for causing the Gulf War.

Yes, Phil, the liberal mind is a wondrous thing indeed.

]]> By: CommanderBill http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-71792 CommanderBill Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:11:35 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/#comment-71792 Global Warming is a new age religion. Don’t confuse it with science. Inconvenient facts like the strong correlation between the Little Ice Age and sun spot cycles, the fact that the Sun is has recently passed its 2000 year sun spot maximum, the fact there is global warming presently on Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Triton and Pluto and the fact that long term atmospheric CO2 has shown no correlation between warm and cold periods are conveniently ignored. Climate science is an inexact as anything can be. The same people who cannot give an accurate three day forecast expect us to believe that got it down pat thirty years hence. Doom and gloom sells; you get fame, fortune, grants and PhDs by embracing the Global Warming religion. For a scientist to deny the Global Warming gospel and will end with a proclamation of heretic with their career ruined, tenure denied and grants evaporate. It seems it is an innate characteristic of man to blame himself for any natural disaster. When the sun caused cooling of the Little Ice Age occurred man’s transgressions were deduced as the cause and sinners were strung up by the thousands. So many years so little has changed. Global Warming is a new age religion. Don’t confuse it with science. Inconvenient facts like the strong correlation between the Little Ice Age and sun spot cycles, the fact that the Sun is has recently passed its 2000 year sun spot maximum, the fact there is global warming presently on Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Triton and Pluto and the fact that long term atmospheric CO2 has shown no correlation between warm and cold periods are conveniently ignored.

Climate science is an inexact as anything can be. The same people who cannot give an accurate three day forecast expect us to believe that got it down pat thirty years hence. Doom and gloom sells; you get fame, fortune, grants and PhDs by embracing the Global Warming religion. For a scientist to deny the Global Warming gospel and will end with a proclamation of heretic with their career ruined, tenure denied and grants evaporate.

It seems it is an innate characteristic of man to blame himself for any natural disaster. When the sun caused cooling of the Little Ice Age occurred man’s transgressions were deduced as the cause and sinners were strung up by the thousands.

So many years so little has changed.

]]> By: Phillip Ellis Jackson http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-71791 Phillip Ellis Jackson Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:50:54 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/#comment-71791 Sedona: The liberal mind is a wonderous thing. Sedona: The liberal mind is a wonderous thing.

]]> By: sedonaman http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-71790 sedonaman Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:33:40 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/#comment-71790 Phil: Don't you just love people who take one data point and extrapolate a whole universe? Phil:

Don’t you just love people who take one data point and extrapolate a whole universe?

]]> By: Phillip Ellis Jackson http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-71789 Phillip Ellis Jackson Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:23:32 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/#comment-71789 Great summary! This is why we've gone from a man provoking a new ice age, to man made global warming, to the all purpose man made "global climate change" (which can be anything one wants it to be) in less than three decades. The only thing missing from today's media-driven hysteria is to blame Bush for all of this. Oh wait. I forgot that Bush caused Katrina by not signing the Kyoto Treaty (the same one that the Clinton-Gore administration also opposed, but that doesn't count). So, Bush is to blame after all Never mind. Great summary! This is why we’ve gone from a man provoking a new ice age, to man made global warming, to the all purpose man made “global climate change” (which can be anything one wants it to be) in less than three decades. The only thing missing from today’s media-driven hysteria is to blame Bush for all of this.

Oh wait. I forgot that Bush caused Katrina by not signing the Kyoto Treaty (the same one that the Clinton-Gore administration also opposed, but that doesn’t count). So, Bush is to blame after all

Never mind.

]]> By: sedonaman http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-71788 sedonaman Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:18:05 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/04/14/the-schizophrenic%e2%80%99s-guide-to-%e2%80%9cglobal%e2%80%9d-warming-1894-2008/#comment-71788 Well, the 60 years since 1954 are almost up. How much have the ocean levels risen? Not anywhere near 40 feet [probably not even close to 40 inches]. Perhaps the good professor meant they would rise 40 feet all at once at the end of 60 years. Well, the 60 years since 1954 are almost up. How much have the ocean levels risen? Not anywhere near 40 feet [probably not even close to 40 inches]. Perhaps the good professor meant they would rise 40 feet all at once at the end of 60 years.

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