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	<title>Comments on: The Green Frontier; Environmental Sentimentalism and Reverse Manifest Destiny</title>
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		<title>By: AMAI</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/06/19/the-green-frontier-environmental-sentimentalism-and-reverse-manifest-destiny/comment-page-1/#comment-72627</link>
		<dc:creator>AMAI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, you forget the AIDS ribbon and favorite Feed The World commemorative spoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, you forget the AIDS ribbon and favorite Feed The World commemorative spoon.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Stapler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Stapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I believe I saw Thoreau standing on the corner of 10th and Maple the other day.  He had his hand out, looked an absolute fright (the better to convince people of his &#039;need&#039;), and simultaneously cursing his benefactors as oppressors and blaming Bush for his joblessness.  May have been sporting a &#039;Save-the-Planet&#039; tee-shirt, but it was a little hard to tell under all the hair, combat-jacket (never actually worn in combat), grime, and tatters.  His wife (or girlfriend) drops him off just around the corner  at the Rite-Aid, driving the family late-model SUV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I believe I saw Thoreau standing on the corner of 10th and Maple the other day.  He had his hand out, looked an absolute fright (the better to convince people of his &#039;need&#039;), and simultaneously cursing his benefactors as oppressors and blaming Bush for his joblessness.  May have been sporting a &#039;Save-the-Planet&#039; tee-shirt, but it was a little hard to tell under all the hair, combat-jacket (never actually worn in combat), grime, and tatters.  His wife (or girlfriend) drops him off just around the corner  at the Rite-Aid, driving the family late-model SUV.</p>
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		<title>By: AMAI</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMAI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse the multiple replies. Have now finished reading the whole article. I definitely agree with you that Global Warming is a fable. I think it is a way for a bunch of people to bring down the industrial civilization while getting paid to do it (through grants etc.)

But I disagree that throwing resources at the War on Terror is a better bet. We&#039;d be best off calling climate change what it is - something that we cannot alter, but can adapt to. We can meet the challenge of dealing with any kind of climate change by building more nuclear energy plants, enabling our society to have more climate-controllable structures at an affordable price.  

We can enable ourselves to leave the Middle East to kill itself off if it so chooses, and refuse to trade with them until they stop being so damn hostile. Put them into time-out in a meaningful way, while we meanwhile find other ways to have our cars, our heating &amp; cooling and our plentiful supply of food, water and a whole host of goods &amp; services.

We need to get to where we don&#039;t need them - they need us more than we need them? 

Why give those people any attention at all? We do need to get on the ball because otherwise there&#039;ll be taxes in place to &quot;combat Global Warming&quot; and then the damage will be done and industry will be destroyed through bankruptcies, pension plan failures and so on. 

It&#039;s a different kind of fight this time - a philosophical one. It&#039;s a fight for our rights to our individual lives, to not be told by the government what to support. If a lot of people think using special lightbulbs is going to make a difference, as long as they don&#039;t have the power to force everyone to use those lightbulbs, we still have a chance. When they decide they have the right to force their beliefs on everyone, that&#039;s when we&#039;re truly screwed. Sigh. It may already be too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse the multiple replies. Have now finished reading the whole article. I definitely agree with you that Global Warming is a fable. I think it is a way for a bunch of people to bring down the industrial civilization while getting paid to do it (through grants etc.)</p>
<p>But I disagree that throwing resources at the War on Terror is a better bet. We&#039;d be best off calling climate change what it is &#8211; something that we cannot alter, but can adapt to. We can meet the challenge of dealing with any kind of climate change by building more nuclear energy plants, enabling our society to have more climate-controllable structures at an affordable price.  </p>
<p>We can enable ourselves to leave the Middle East to kill itself off if it so chooses, and refuse to trade with them until they stop being so damn hostile. Put them into time-out in a meaningful way, while we meanwhile find other ways to have our cars, our heating &amp; cooling and our plentiful supply of food, water and a whole host of goods &amp; services.</p>
<p>We need to get to where we don&#039;t need them &#8211; they need us more than we need them? </p>
<p>Why give those people any attention at all? We do need to get on the ball because otherwise there&#039;ll be taxes in place to &#034;combat Global Warming&#034; and then the damage will be done and industry will be destroyed through bankruptcies, pension plan failures and so on. </p>
<p>It&#039;s a different kind of fight this time &#8211; a philosophical one. It&#039;s a fight for our rights to our individual lives, to not be told by the government what to support. If a lot of people think using special lightbulbs is going to make a difference, as long as they don&#039;t have the power to force everyone to use those lightbulbs, we still have a chance. When they decide they have the right to force their beliefs on everyone, that&#039;s when we&#039;re truly screwed. Sigh. It may already be too late.</p>
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		<title>By: AMAI</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMAI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - got carried away. Thanks for the food for thought, Tim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; got carried away. Thanks for the food for thought, Tim.</p>
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		<title>By: AMAI</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMAI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. I was going to say Defense against those who initiate the use of force may be dealt with using armed force. Being free from coercion means putting the System of Forced Payment for anything is put into Chapter 11, freeze assets, freeze payments, and put the system on lay-off. Over. Done.

In its place, we need to allow corporations make offers to the public at large, making suggestions for things their owners and operators are interested and able to offer solutions that make sense to both of you.

Over the next 30 days, if we&#039;re ready as a nation, or indeed as a planet (I&#039;m going to send these comments out starting from Sea of Islands and MP69&#039;s Couch site to the whole world and invite everyone on earth to vote for this. It&#039;s being translated as we speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. I was going to say Defense against those who initiate the use of force may be dealt with using armed force. Being free from coercion means putting the System of Forced Payment for anything is put into Chapter 11, freeze assets, freeze payments, and put the system on lay-off. Over. Done.</p>
<p>In its place, we need to allow corporations make offers to the public at large, making suggestions for things their owners and operators are interested and able to offer solutions that make sense to both of you.</p>
<p>Over the next 30 days, if we&#039;re ready as a nation, or indeed as a planet (I&#039;m going to send these comments out starting from Sea of Islands and MP69&#039;s Couch site to the whole world and invite everyone on earth to vote for this. It&#039;s being translated as we speak.</p>
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		<title>By: AMAI</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMAI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got up to the point where you said the Greens appear to be winning, and had to post. You are more than right. They don&#039;t jsut appear to be, they are winning their battle. Every person who has accepted one or more of philosophy, religion and political systems that are anti-individualist in tone, tenor and attitude is ripe to be conned by the Greenies&#039; propaganda. 

Only Objectivist Atheist Capitalists know that what we really need is respect for Individual Rights. 

John Donne is wrong in this sense: all men ARE islands. What all men are also is not alone on the planet. There are lots of us, who appreciate our greatest tool, our minds, our individual minds and recognize that we as individuals need the freedom to think and act rationally. The quick way to understand what &quot;acting rationally&quot; means is to appreciate the meaning of the sentence, No one has the right to initiate the use of force against another. Defense against those who initiate the use of force against another human or group of humans.

This law is capable of being applied to every single human interaction. Is force being used, if so, who initiated it? 

People have minds for the biggest tool because working with reason means being able to make primitive sense of the world and find activities to do to make life possible and worth living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got up to the point where you said the Greens appear to be winning, and had to post. You are more than right. They don&#039;t jsut appear to be, they are winning their battle. Every person who has accepted one or more of philosophy, religion and political systems that are anti-individualist in tone, tenor and attitude is ripe to be conned by the Greenies&#039; propaganda. </p>
<p>Only Objectivist Atheist Capitalists know that what we really need is respect for Individual Rights. </p>
<p>John Donne is wrong in this sense: all men ARE islands. What all men are also is not alone on the planet. There are lots of us, who appreciate our greatest tool, our minds, our individual minds and recognize that we as individuals need the freedom to think and act rationally. The quick way to understand what &#034;acting rationally&#034; means is to appreciate the meaning of the sentence, No one has the right to initiate the use of force against another. Defense against those who initiate the use of force against another human or group of humans.</p>
<p>This law is capable of being applied to every single human interaction. Is force being used, if so, who initiated it? </p>
<p>People have minds for the biggest tool because working with reason means being able to make primitive sense of the world and find activities to do to make life possible and worth living.</p>
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		<title>By: arete5000</title>
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		<dc:creator>arete5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brilliant Call to Arms, Tim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brilliant Call to Arms, Tim!</p>
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