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		<title>By: Ivan Ivanovich</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/08/07/is-separate-always-unequal/comment-page-1/#comment-72994</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Ivanovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it doesn&#039;t bother me and I got a good laugh from &quot;everyone above average&quot;. Who ever said that must have flunked math. Or should I say, “be math challenged”? Gould throws in the racist label as well as the dreaded &quot;determinism&quot; and &quot;pseudobiological explanations&quot; while he so adroitly dissects thinkers from the 19th century, as if that had anything to do with it. Most of his argument rests on disproving that IQ is settled at birth when the Bell Curve acknowledges that IQ’s have risen during the recent past in all groups thereby leaving the exclusivity of biology out of the formula.
We can thank Mr. Obama for bringing these arguments and considerations into public discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t bother me and I got a good laugh from &#8220;everyone above average&#8221;. Who ever said that must have flunked math. Or should I say, “be math challenged”? Gould throws in the racist label as well as the dreaded &#8220;determinism&#8221; and &#8220;pseudobiological explanations&#8221; while he so adroitly dissects thinkers from the 19th century, as if that had anything to do with it. Most of his argument rests on disproving that IQ is settled at birth when the Bell Curve acknowledges that IQ’s have risen during the recent past in all groups thereby leaving the exclusivity of biology out of the formula.<br />
We can thank Mr. Obama for bringing these arguments and considerations into public discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: sedonaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sedonaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan Ivanovich: 

Don&#039;t let it bother you. 

It&#039;s been quite some time, but I also read &lt;i&gt;The Bell Curve.&lt;/i&gt; Liberals couldn&#039;t refute it, so they labeled it &quot;racist&quot;, a standard ploy for political correctness, which was invented to deny and/or conceal truth.

But I do get a kick when liberals argue against using IQ or even grades and SAT scores and they inevitably throw in, &quot;We want to make everyone above average.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan Ivanovich: </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let it bother you. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been quite some time, but I also read <i>The Bell Curve.</i> Liberals couldn&#8217;t refute it, so they labeled it &#8220;racist&#8221;, a standard ploy for political correctness, which was invented to deny and/or conceal truth.</p>
<p>But I do get a kick when liberals argue against using IQ or even grades and SAT scores and they inevitably throw in, &#8220;We want to make everyone above average.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Ivanovich</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/08/07/is-separate-always-unequal/comment-page-1/#comment-72989</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Ivanovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sedonaman writes: &quot;I thought the mean IQ, by definition, was 100 for the whole population.&quot;
You and Alantin are both correct. His statement is, I suppose, based on Herrnstein &amp; Murray&#039;s book &quot;The Bell Curve&quot;. The mean IQ of the whole population is 100, but taken as sub-sets the book argues for the differences above. After reading the book I was pissed off about being a member of a group scoring behind Asians and Jews, so I read three books rebutting the conclusions. More recently, I read Stephen Jay Gould&#039;s &quot;The Mismeasure of Man&quot;. My conclusion is H&amp;M 1, SJG &amp; company Zero, or less if that is possible. I&#039;m now resigned to belonging to a group who’s average IQ is dragged down by White Trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sedonaman writes: &#8220;I thought the mean IQ, by definition, was 100 for the whole population.&#8221;<br />
You and Alantin are both correct. His statement is, I suppose, based on Herrnstein &amp; Murray&#8217;s book &#8220;The Bell Curve&#8221;. The mean IQ of the whole population is 100, but taken as sub-sets the book argues for the differences above. After reading the book I was pissed off about being a member of a group scoring behind Asians and Jews, so I read three books rebutting the conclusions. More recently, I read Stephen Jay Gould&#8217;s &#8220;The Mismeasure of Man&#8221;. My conclusion is H&amp;M 1, SJG &amp; company Zero, or less if that is possible. I&#8217;m now resigned to belonging to a group who’s average IQ is dragged down by White Trash.</p>
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		<title>By: mike.musculus</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike.musculus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Carl:
Let me preface this remark with an observation:

1.  Indications are Britain&#039;s social decay runs approximately 15-25yrs ahead of ours.

2.  You might be familiar with the news item I am refering to in this point.:
Last month, (I believe,) there was a Home Office mandate that bigotry starts in infancy, pre-cognitive, even pre-language.  You could detect this unacceptable &quot;hardwired&quot; bigotry by the weaning choices the young tykes made.  A caucasian baby that refused a tidbit of General Chao&#039;s chicken obviously had a hatred of Chinese people, while if that same child refused jerked chicken he hated Blacks.  It is unacceptable!  And they wanted daycare, Doctors, schools, (in short, everyone&#039;s neighbor,) to play the nosey-parker and denounce these youngsters.

Never mind sensitivities to spices, or even just simple preference...  If you are caucasian don&#039;t prefer every culture but your own you&#039;re a racist, and probably a hate-criminal.  And you probably inherited it.

----
My long-winded prequal comes to this:  we are not just approaching that pass, we are bearing down on it at ramming speed.  If you believe differently: did you know the only reason those who won&#039;t vote Obama won&#039;t is bigotry?  Nothing else...

Your &quot;Conservative to be clear...&quot; is wonderful advice, and I&#039;m all for it, but when you have the cultural pressures I noted above, combined with assertation by the 9 Circus Court that your compelling interest as Parent is less than that of the State in matters of curricula, just how do you plan to enforce your will over that of CA&#039;s?  The case was sex-ed, but it wasn&#039;t a narrowly defined by any means.  The is left open, just waiting for some lefty ideolog to mine it.

I (personally) think people&#039;s energy better spent in pushing &quot;right-to-homeschool&quot; laws, and &quot;hands-off&quot; laws for those schools which refuse public funding.  This before the Left (completely) catches on.  At the extremes, we can always open privately funded schools, as long as when we open them we&#039;ll be beyound easy reach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Carl:<br />
Let me preface this remark with an observation:</p>
<p>1.  Indications are Britain&#8217;s social decay runs approximately 15-25yrs ahead of ours.</p>
<p>2.  You might be familiar with the news item I am refering to in this point.:<br />
Last month, (I believe,) there was a Home Office mandate that bigotry starts in infancy, pre-cognitive, even pre-language.  You could detect this unacceptable &#8220;hardwired&#8221; bigotry by the weaning choices the young tykes made.  A caucasian baby that refused a tidbit of General Chao&#8217;s chicken obviously had a hatred of Chinese people, while if that same child refused jerked chicken he hated Blacks.  It is unacceptable!  And they wanted daycare, Doctors, schools, (in short, everyone&#8217;s neighbor,) to play the nosey-parker and denounce these youngsters.</p>
<p>Never mind sensitivities to spices, or even just simple preference&#8230;  If you are caucasian don&#8217;t prefer every culture but your own you&#8217;re a racist, and probably a hate-criminal.  And you probably inherited it.</p>
<p>&#8212;-<br />
My long-winded prequal comes to this:  we are not just approaching that pass, we are bearing down on it at ramming speed.  If you believe differently: did you know the only reason those who won&#8217;t vote Obama won&#8217;t is bigotry?  Nothing else&#8230;</p>
<p>Your &#8220;Conservative to be clear&#8230;&#8221; is wonderful advice, and I&#8217;m all for it, but when you have the cultural pressures I noted above, combined with assertation by the 9 Circus Court that your compelling interest as Parent is less than that of the State in matters of curricula, just how do you plan to enforce your will over that of CA&#8217;s?  The case was sex-ed, but it wasn&#8217;t a narrowly defined by any means.  The is left open, just waiting for some lefty ideolog to mine it.</p>
<p>I (personally) think people&#8217;s energy better spent in pushing &#8220;right-to-homeschool&#8221; laws, and &#8220;hands-off&#8221; laws for those schools which refuse public funding.  This before the Left (completely) catches on.  At the extremes, we can always open privately funded schools, as long as when we open them we&#8217;ll be beyound easy reach.</p>
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		<title>By: sedonaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sedonaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is Separate always unequal?&quot; 

Separate might not always be unequal, but equal is sometimes special, as in women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is Separate always unequal?&#8221; </p>
<p>Separate might not always be unequal, but equal is sometimes special, as in women.</p>
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		<title>By: sedonaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sedonaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atlantin:

&quot;Different races may differ in mean IQ: Whites mean 100, ...&quot;

I thought the mean IQ, by definition, was 100 for the whole population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atlantin:</p>
<p>&#8220;Different races may differ in mean IQ: Whites mean 100, &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought the mean IQ, by definition, was 100 for the whole population.</p>
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		<title>By: Atlantin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atlantin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;And there is no denying that the general ruling in the famous Brown vs. Board of Education was the correct one.&quot;

You are not obviously one steeped in logical thought. Your entire article puts the lie to that statement.

Different races may differ in mean IQ: Whites mean 100, American Blacks 80, Mexicans circa 85, North Asians 105, Jews 112, etc. Read some of the books by Richard Lynn on the subject. Given mean IQs that differ so, only lawyers, Judges and Liberals would expect schools to EQUALLY educate children from different races together.

 Brown vs. Board of Education has been and is an unmitigated disaster for the USA.

Atlantin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;And there is no denying that the general ruling in the famous Brown vs. Board of Education was the correct one.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are not obviously one steeped in logical thought. Your entire article puts the lie to that statement.</p>
<p>Different races may differ in mean IQ: Whites mean 100, American Blacks 80, Mexicans circa 85, North Asians 105, Jews 112, etc. Read some of the books by Richard Lynn on the subject. Given mean IQs that differ so, only lawyers, Judges and Liberals would expect schools to EQUALLY educate children from different races together.</p>
<p> Brown vs. Board of Education has been and is an unmitigated disaster for the USA.</p>
<p>Atlantin</p>
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		<title>By: sedonaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sedonaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The drive for equality can take on grotesque proportions, as they did when minorities demanded the end of the Vista Ca school GATE program, a program for honor students: 

“VISTA – Parents of Latino students at Vista&#039;s most ethnically diverse school are incensed over a campaign by other parents to preserve an honors program there. 
“The policy debate is taking place at Lincoln Middle School, where the principal is proposing mixing some of the school&#039;s most gifted students with others of mixed academic abilities in an effort to pump up test scores.  

“The proposal to dismantle the Gifted And Talented Education, or GATE, program at the school is supported by the Latino parents, opposed by parents of the GATE students. 

 ... ‘All students should be treated equally,’ Latino parents said in a letter to the board and district administrators. &quot;We believe that the school should not create differences between students who know more and students who know less.’&quot;  

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20050519-9999-1mi19vusd.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The drive for equality can take on grotesque proportions, as they did when minorities demanded the end of the Vista Ca school GATE program, a program for honor students: </p>
<p>“VISTA – Parents of Latino students at Vista&#8217;s most ethnically diverse school are incensed over a campaign by other parents to preserve an honors program there.<br />
“The policy debate is taking place at Lincoln Middle School, where the principal is proposing mixing some of the school&#8217;s most gifted students with others of mixed academic abilities in an effort to pump up test scores.  </p>
<p>“The proposal to dismantle the Gifted And Talented Education, or GATE, program at the school is supported by the Latino parents, opposed by parents of the GATE students. </p>
<p> &#8230; ‘All students should be treated equally,’ Latino parents said in a letter to the board and district administrators. &#8220;We believe that the school should not create differences between students who know more and students who know less.’&#8221;  </p>
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