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	<title>Comments on: Thomas Paine and the Values of 1776</title>
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		<title>By: markwilensky</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/08/23/thomas-paine-and-the-values-of-1776/comment-page-1/#comment-73651</link>
		<dc:creator>markwilensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per the comment by Mountain Man, in addition to the subjects he listed, Civics is also taught in fifth-grade. Democracy is a very fragile thing and must be nutured in our newest generations. While teaching reading, I can give my students reading material with depth and meaning. From current material, all the way back to our country&#039;s founding documents. In doing so, I am teaching those important subjects he listed, all the while empowering my students to truly understand the meaning of, We the People.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per the comment by Mountain Man, in addition to the subjects he listed, Civics is also taught in fifth-grade. Democracy is a very fragile thing and must be nutured in our newest generations. While teaching reading, I can give my students reading material with depth and meaning. From current material, all the way back to our country&#8217;s founding documents. In doing so, I am teaching those important subjects he listed, all the while empowering my students to truly understand the meaning of, We the People.</p>
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		<title>By: Common Sense about religion &#171; Fear is Tyranny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Common Sense about religion &#171; Fear is Tyranny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been exposed to more &#8220;intellectual&#8221; revisionism than Thomas Paine.  I recently read an example of this on intellectualconservative.com by Thomas Brewton.  Brewton writes: &#8220;While Thomas Paine&#8217;s stirring prose helped to rally public opinion [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been exposed to more &#8220;intellectual&#8221; revisionism than Thomas Paine.  I recently read an example of this on intellectualconservative.com by Thomas Brewton.  Brewton writes: &#8220;While Thomas Paine&#8217;s stirring prose helped to rally public opinion [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mountain Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, Mr. Wilensky, the most important thing you can do for your students is to teach them math, science, grammar, spelling, music, P.E., and reading. 

Their self esteem cannot be artifically inflated, this can only come from true achievement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, Mr. Wilensky, the most important thing you can do for your students is to teach them math, science, grammar, spelling, music, P.E., and reading. </p>
<p>Their self esteem cannot be artifically inflated, this can only come from true achievement.</p>
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		<title>By: markwilensky</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/08/23/thomas-paine-and-the-values-of-1776/comment-page-1/#comment-73269</link>
		<dc:creator>markwilensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fifth-grade teacher in Colorado, probably the most important thing I can instill in students is the belief that all their voices are important. Their future does not have to be inevitable. &quot;Little voices&quot; can make dramatic impacts on events. That is Thomas Paine&#039;s greatest contribution to our country. His pamphlet, Common Sense, spoke to all the voices in the 13 colonies during a time of great fear and indecision. He gave a vast number of citizens a vision of what each could do, 176 days before the Declaration of Independence. That message is still paramount to all our students today. For that pamphlet alone, Paine needs to be recognized as a intrical part of the American miracle. 

Mark Wilensky, 
author of &quot;The Elementary Common Sense of Thomas Paine: An Interactive Adaptation for All Ages&quot; 
www.NewCommonSenseBook.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fifth-grade teacher in Colorado, probably the most important thing I can instill in students is the belief that all their voices are important. Their future does not have to be inevitable. &#8220;Little voices&#8221; can make dramatic impacts on events. That is Thomas Paine&#8217;s greatest contribution to our country. His pamphlet, Common Sense, spoke to all the voices in the 13 colonies during a time of great fear and indecision. He gave a vast number of citizens a vision of what each could do, 176 days before the Declaration of Independence. That message is still paramount to all our students today. For that pamphlet alone, Paine needs to be recognized as a intrical part of the American miracle. </p>
<p>Mark Wilensky,<br />
author of &#8220;The Elementary Common Sense of Thomas Paine: An Interactive Adaptation for All Ages&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.NewCommonSenseBook.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.NewCommonSenseBook.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ark Ashamed of Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ark Ashamed of Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This certainly explains why the leftist novelist Howard Fast wrote a laudatory historical novel about Thomas Paine.

I have suspected for some time that the “all men are created equal” part of the Declaration of Independence was a denunciation of the right-wing institution of a privileged, hereditary nobility rather than an espousement of the leftist goal of “racial equality,” i.e., giving preferences to a minority which largely rejects the traditional American values Mr. Brewton describes herein and a significant portion of which is an unassimilable ethic group that is being used by the Left for purposes of ethnic balkanization.

It is really disappointing to read Barry Goldwater’s praise of the Puritans. Daniel J. Flynn’s “A Conservative History of the American Left” makes it clear that the American Left, which shared the views of Tom Paine, sprung forth from New England Puritanism. This is even worse given that Goldwater defended Bill Clinton, a man who supported the Communist victory in Indochina and shared Tom Paine’s views, against the puritanical so-called Religious Right. At that point one could say that the conservative lost his conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This certainly explains why the leftist novelist Howard Fast wrote a laudatory historical novel about Thomas Paine.</p>
<p>I have suspected for some time that the “all men are created equal” part of the Declaration of Independence was a denunciation of the right-wing institution of a privileged, hereditary nobility rather than an espousement of the leftist goal of “racial equality,” i.e., giving preferences to a minority which largely rejects the traditional American values Mr. Brewton describes herein and a significant portion of which is an unassimilable ethic group that is being used by the Left for purposes of ethnic balkanization.</p>
<p>It is really disappointing to read Barry Goldwater’s praise of the Puritans. Daniel J. Flynn’s “A Conservative History of the American Left” makes it clear that the American Left, which shared the views of Tom Paine, sprung forth from New England Puritanism. This is even worse given that Goldwater defended Bill Clinton, a man who supported the Communist victory in Indochina and shared Tom Paine’s views, against the puritanical so-called Religious Right. At that point one could say that the conservative lost his conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: compugor</title>
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		<dc:creator>compugor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the perspective on Thomas Paine, a true revolutionary. 

A revolutionary can be determined as glorious or despicable depending upon the cause and the particular viewpoint from which it is judged. 

I now see Paine, in his one lifetime, as both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the perspective on Thomas Paine, a true revolutionary. </p>
<p>A revolutionary can be determined as glorious or despicable depending upon the cause and the particular viewpoint from which it is judged. </p>
<p>I now see Paine, in his one lifetime, as both.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph BH McMillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph BH McMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Brewton,

At last someone puts Thomas Paine in his correct historical perspective.

Although I agree that Paine has had an influence on the 20th and indeed the early 21st century mind-set, I would rank Jeremy Bentham as a far greater malevolent force.

As I am sure you know, both these gentlemen lived and wrote at about the same time. But, to my mind, Bentham’s Utilitarian principle – that human beings are ‘governed’ by the lust for pleasure - has outlived Paine; and is the foundation of the modern Liberal Fundamentalist state.

Emmanuel Kant, with his “Categorical Imperative,” did try to give some substance to the nonsense espoused by the likes of Bentham and the French ‘rationalists,’ but unfortunately made his arguments so cumbersome that he has been confined to the cloisters of academic pontificating.

Nevertheless, I think this quote from Kant fits quite well with your analysis:

“But [man] is not so completely an animal as to be indifferent to what reason says on its own account, and to use it merely as an instrument for the satisfaction of his wants as a sensible being. For the possession of reason would not raise his worth above that of the brutes, if it is to serve him only for the same purpose that instinct serves in them; it would in that case be only a particular method which nature had employed to equip man for the same ends for which it has qualified brutes, without qualifying him for any higher purpose.”

Unfortunately, Kant couldn’t offer up any real alternative to the Utilitarian ethic.

As Schweitzer said: “On the whole [Kant] does nothing more than put the current utilitarian ethics under the protectorate of the Categorical Imperative. Behind a magnificent façade he constructs a block of tenements.”

And that essentially is what we have in the modern Liberal Fundamentalist state – in Europe and the United States – a block of tenements!

Joseph BH McMillan    www.freedomvrights.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Brewton,</p>
<p>At last someone puts Thomas Paine in his correct historical perspective.</p>
<p>Although I agree that Paine has had an influence on the 20th and indeed the early 21st century mind-set, I would rank Jeremy Bentham as a far greater malevolent force.</p>
<p>As I am sure you know, both these gentlemen lived and wrote at about the same time. But, to my mind, Bentham’s Utilitarian principle – that human beings are ‘governed’ by the lust for pleasure &#8211; has outlived Paine; and is the foundation of the modern Liberal Fundamentalist state.</p>
<p>Emmanuel Kant, with his “Categorical Imperative,” did try to give some substance to the nonsense espoused by the likes of Bentham and the French ‘rationalists,’ but unfortunately made his arguments so cumbersome that he has been confined to the cloisters of academic pontificating.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I think this quote from Kant fits quite well with your analysis:</p>
<p>“But [man] is not so completely an animal as to be indifferent to what reason says on its own account, and to use it merely as an instrument for the satisfaction of his wants as a sensible being. For the possession of reason would not raise his worth above that of the brutes, if it is to serve him only for the same purpose that instinct serves in them; it would in that case be only a particular method which nature had employed to equip man for the same ends for which it has qualified brutes, without qualifying him for any higher purpose.”</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Kant couldn’t offer up any real alternative to the Utilitarian ethic.</p>
<p>As Schweitzer said: “On the whole [Kant] does nothing more than put the current utilitarian ethics under the protectorate of the Categorical Imperative. Behind a magnificent façade he constructs a block of tenements.”</p>
<p>And that essentially is what we have in the modern Liberal Fundamentalist state – in Europe and the United States – a block of tenements!</p>
<p>Joseph BH McMillan    <a href="http://www.freedomvrights.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedomvrights.com</a></p>
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