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	<title>Comments on: President Obama and America&#8217;s Image Abroad</title>
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		<title>By: Phillip Ellis Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/president-obama-and-americas-image-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-74043</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Ellis Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before anyone takes Suzanne seriously and responds to her drivel, see her comments in “Gunning for Palin”.  She’s a bit of an airhead who never responds to any substantive challenges to her platitudes.  All she does is drop in with silly, pseudo-meaningful observations like “war is obsolete”.  Ask her about Georgia defending itself against Russian aggression, the US action in Afghanistan (which even Obama supports and wants to escalate), Israel’s defense of its borders, etc., and she’ll respond with something about birds chirping and warm summer nights.

She’s not serious about exchanging ideas, just sprinkling us with her torpid thoughts.  If you take her seriously and react, you’ll just get a series of meaningless exchanges.

On my way out of town for a couple of weeks.  Don’t say I didn’t warn you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before anyone takes Suzanne seriously and responds to her drivel, see her comments in “Gunning for Palin”.  She’s a bit of an airhead who never responds to any substantive challenges to her platitudes.  All she does is drop in with silly, pseudo-meaningful observations like “war is obsolete”.  Ask her about Georgia defending itself against Russian aggression, the US action in Afghanistan (which even Obama supports and wants to escalate), Israel’s defense of its borders, etc., and she’ll respond with something about birds chirping and warm summer nights.</p>
<p>She’s not serious about exchanging ideas, just sprinkling us with her torpid thoughts.  If you take her seriously and react, you’ll just get a series of meaningless exchanges.</p>
<p>On my way out of town for a couple of weeks.  Don’t say I didn’t warn you</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Gentling</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/president-obama-and-americas-image-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-74042</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne Gentling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If what our government is doing in the Middle East is cleaning up the disastrous manipulations of post-WW I, after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, I&#039;d hate to see what a profound, strategical blunder would look like. 

Having discussions with our &#039;enemies&#039; used to be considered an appropriate and essential part of foreign policy. How else can problems be solved? To say we in America do not need the rest of the world is ludicrous.

War is obsolete. It doesn&#039;t work. Senator Obama knows this and Senator McCain does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If what our government is doing in the Middle East is cleaning up the disastrous manipulations of post-WW I, after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, I&#8217;d hate to see what a profound, strategical blunder would look like. </p>
<p>Having discussions with our &#8216;enemies&#8217; used to be considered an appropriate and essential part of foreign policy. How else can problems be solved? To say we in America do not need the rest of the world is ludicrous.</p>
<p>War is obsolete. It doesn&#8217;t work. Senator Obama knows this and Senator McCain does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Influence</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/president-obama-and-americas-image-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-74036</link>
		<dc:creator>Influence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You misunderstand. There is a higher degree of probability that cooperation will occur when people like each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You misunderstand. There is a higher degree of probability that cooperation will occur when people like each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Last Angry Man</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/president-obama-and-americas-image-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-73767</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Angry Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Influence, you are mistaking working in cooperation with other nations, and being &quot;popular.&quot;  There is a vast difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Influence, you are mistaking working in cooperation with other nations, and being &#8220;popular.&#8221;  There is a vast difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Influence</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/president-obama-and-americas-image-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-73756</link>
		<dc:creator>Influence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to shape/repair the world there must be cooperation with other nations. Forcing change doesn&#039;t seem to work very well. When a person is liked,admired or even &quot;popular&quot; around the world there would be a high degree of probability that this admired person would have influence. 

Barak Obama does appear to have this ability to convince other nations to follow his lead with his impassioned speeches. If George W. had this ability of influence than the tiny nation of Georgia wouldn&#039;t have to commit troops that were needed elsewhere. Instead there would be an overflow of nations willing to help. 

The ability to convince others is arguably one of the most important abilities of a leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to shape/repair the world there must be cooperation with other nations. Forcing change doesn&#8217;t seem to work very well. When a person is liked,admired or even &#8220;popular&#8221; around the world there would be a high degree of probability that this admired person would have influence. </p>
<p>Barak Obama does appear to have this ability to convince other nations to follow his lead with his impassioned speeches. If George W. had this ability of influence than the tiny nation of Georgia wouldn&#8217;t have to commit troops that were needed elsewhere. Instead there would be an overflow of nations willing to help. </p>
<p>The ability to convince others is arguably one of the most important abilities of a leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Last Angry Man</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/president-obama-and-americas-image-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-73740</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Angry Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.

I always found it ironic that no less than Adolph Hitler - a warped, murderous madman - said something early on during the war that was so spot-on, the British had no real response to.

There had been commentary by the British about being the &quot;Champions of Democracy.&quot;  Hitler simply responded about the sheer irony of a nation that held 400 million people in thrall around the world would have the nerve to refer to itself in that way.  He further noted the large wellspring of racism in their dual view of the world, in that what the British did to a black man in Rhodesia (for example) was vastly different than the same type of action against a white man in Europe.

We are the biggest guy on the block, and we are surely resented for it.  Who we elect as President will likely have little bearing on other nation&#039;s opinions of us.  And if the best we can do is obsess about what they think about us - as if it&#039;s of supreme importance to be &quot;popular&quot; - then we&#039;re lost anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>I always found it ironic that no less than Adolph Hitler &#8211; a warped, murderous madman &#8211; said something early on during the war that was so spot-on, the British had no real response to.</p>
<p>There had been commentary by the British about being the &#8220;Champions of Democracy.&#8221;  Hitler simply responded about the sheer irony of a nation that held 400 million people in thrall around the world would have the nerve to refer to itself in that way.  He further noted the large wellspring of racism in their dual view of the world, in that what the British did to a black man in Rhodesia (for example) was vastly different than the same type of action against a white man in Europe.</p>
<p>We are the biggest guy on the block, and we are surely resented for it.  Who we elect as President will likely have little bearing on other nation&#8217;s opinions of us.  And if the best we can do is obsess about what they think about us &#8211; as if it&#8217;s of supreme importance to be &#8220;popular&#8221; &#8211; then we&#8217;re lost anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: thorninside</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/president-obama-and-americas-image-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-73738</link>
		<dc:creator>thorninside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last Angry Man - I agree.  Much of the %&amp;*! we are involved in around the world - Israel, Iraq, etc. - is just grappling with the mess that England and France left behind from the century before.  Whether we should be involved in such rot is up for debate (I&#039;m on the firm &#039;no way!&#039; side), but I agree it&#039;s not fair for other countries to criticize when we are, in some ways at least, just cleaning up the mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last Angry Man &#8211; I agree.  Much of the %&amp;*! we are involved in around the world &#8211; Israel, Iraq, etc. &#8211; is just grappling with the mess that England and France left behind from the century before.  Whether we should be involved in such rot is up for debate (I&#8217;m on the firm &#8216;no way!&#8217; side), but I agree it&#8217;s not fair for other countries to criticize when we are, in some ways at least, just cleaning up the mess.</p>
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		<title>By: thorninside</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/president-obama-and-americas-image-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-73737</link>
		<dc:creator>thorninside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want to note as an addendum to my other comments - conservative/libertarian thought, as it is historically conceptualized (and by historically, I mean pre-Bush administration) places extreme limits on involvement in foreign wars, and would certainly not embrace the poorly conceived &#039;Bush Doctrine&#039;, a bastard in any of its incarnations.  Therefore, touting involvement in Iraq would seem to me as &#039;mainstream conservativism&#039;, and therefore not appropriate for the pages of &#039;intellectual conservative&#039;.  Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to note as an addendum to my other comments &#8211; conservative/libertarian thought, as it is historically conceptualized (and by historically, I mean pre-Bush administration) places extreme limits on involvement in foreign wars, and would certainly not embrace the poorly conceived &#8216;Bush Doctrine&#8217;, a bastard in any of its incarnations.  Therefore, touting involvement in Iraq would seem to me as &#8216;mainstream conservativism&#8217;, and therefore not appropriate for the pages of &#8216;intellectual conservative&#8217;.  Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Last Angry Man</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/president-obama-and-americas-image-abroad/comment-page-1/#comment-73735</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Angry Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, no problem.

Needless to say, it&#039;s a part of the Internet experience that cues about when a conversation has switched from commenting to an individual to that of the original article can be vague at best.  As the Russians would say, Nichevo - &quot;It can&#039;t be helped.&quot;

Moving right along...

I personally don&#039;t think our politics should really care one whit about what others in the world think of us.  Truly, they will think what they will regardless, despite any opinions to the contrary.  At times stretching points all out of true to do so.

I was in an online debate with a Brit I know recently.  He went on and on about the actions of the US in Iraq and other parts of the world.  So I simply responded that much of what we are doing and where we are doing it was at least in part resolving long-standing issues left by the sudden retreat of the British Empire, as when they left, they did so leaving nations that were artificially fabricated entities with groups mixed together that truly hate each other.

His responses were a constant stream of denials and fabrications about the former Empire, it&#039;s meaning, what they did  and how they did it, and who benefitted - to the extent that he even represented that everything they had done was always and solely for the benefit of the native inhabitants, and that the British Empire had benefitted not one iota.

And then proceeded to return to his &quot;America bad&quot; screed.

So it&#039;s really ultimately pointless to worry about other nations and their opinions of us.  We don&#039;t choose a President to benefit or accomodate *them* - we do so for *us*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, no problem.</p>
<p>Needless to say, it&#8217;s a part of the Internet experience that cues about when a conversation has switched from commenting to an individual to that of the original article can be vague at best.  As the Russians would say, Nichevo &#8211; &#8220;It can&#8217;t be helped.&#8221;</p>
<p>Moving right along&#8230;</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t think our politics should really care one whit about what others in the world think of us.  Truly, they will think what they will regardless, despite any opinions to the contrary.  At times stretching points all out of true to do so.</p>
<p>I was in an online debate with a Brit I know recently.  He went on and on about the actions of the US in Iraq and other parts of the world.  So I simply responded that much of what we are doing and where we are doing it was at least in part resolving long-standing issues left by the sudden retreat of the British Empire, as when they left, they did so leaving nations that were artificially fabricated entities with groups mixed together that truly hate each other.</p>
<p>His responses were a constant stream of denials and fabrications about the former Empire, it&#8217;s meaning, what they did  and how they did it, and who benefitted &#8211; to the extent that he even represented that everything they had done was always and solely for the benefit of the native inhabitants, and that the British Empire had benefitted not one iota.</p>
<p>And then proceeded to return to his &#8220;America bad&#8221; screed.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s really ultimately pointless to worry about other nations and their opinions of us.  We don&#8217;t choose a President to benefit or accomodate *them* &#8211; we do so for *us*.</p>
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		<title>By: thorninside</title>
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		<dc:creator>thorninside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, Last Angry Man, I fail to make myself clear - at least to you.  I hope others reading our comments follow me.  Your points 1 and 2 - I said &#039;no offense&#039;, just having a laugh.  I wasn&#039;t being accusatory, nor was I criticizing your comments, just noting that some people hear &#039;thorn in side&#039; and think of the Apostle Paul, others of Bill and Hillary - you fall into tha latter.  Didn&#039;t mean to get off on the wrong foot.

As to your points 3 and 4 -- I wasn&#039;t directing at you, but at Mr. Shepherd -- I thought that was the purpose of this sort of thing, to comment on what the writer had to say.  I think if you&#039;ll look at my comments in that context, you&#039;ll agree!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Last Angry Man, I fail to make myself clear &#8211; at least to you.  I hope others reading our comments follow me.  Your points 1 and 2 &#8211; I said &#8216;no offense&#8217;, just having a laugh.  I wasn&#8217;t being accusatory, nor was I criticizing your comments, just noting that some people hear &#8216;thorn in side&#8217; and think of the Apostle Paul, others of Bill and Hillary &#8211; you fall into tha latter.  Didn&#8217;t mean to get off on the wrong foot.</p>
<p>As to your points 3 and 4 &#8212; I wasn&#8217;t directing at you, but at Mr. Shepherd &#8212; I thought that was the purpose of this sort of thing, to comment on what the writer had to say.  I think if you&#8217;ll look at my comments in that context, you&#8217;ll agree!</p>
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