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		<title>By: Redpath7</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/the-hillary-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-73917</link>
		<dc:creator>Redpath7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sedonaman&#039;s mention, above, of &quot;the sword&quot; sparks me to venture the comparison of a samurai code-of-bushido-bound warrior beheading a peasant simply to test the sharpness of his katana. Heeding the counsel of his advisors or not, B. Hussein Obama could swiftly jettison Bumblin&#039; Joe. After all, members of the statist Left will do anything they deem necessary in order to gain directive power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sedonaman&#8217;s mention, above, of &#8220;the sword&#8221; sparks me to venture the comparison of a samurai code-of-bushido-bound warrior beheading a peasant simply to test the sharpness of his katana. Heeding the counsel of his advisors or not, B. Hussein Obama could swiftly jettison Bumblin&#8217; Joe. After all, members of the statist Left will do anything they deem necessary in order to gain directive power.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Mulligan</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/the-hillary-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-73765</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;d be a lot more impressed with her if she would stop lying about her record.&quot;

I&#039;d be really impressed with Obama if he had a record to lie about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d be a lot more impressed with her if she would stop lying about her record.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be really impressed with Obama if he had a record to lie about.</p>
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		<title>By: sedonaman</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/the-hillary-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-73757</link>
		<dc:creator>sedonaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil: 

“If I was Obama, I’d give Joe one of two cover stories to pick from.” 

ROTFLMAO! I love it: Choose the sword with which you’re to commit hara-kiri! 

I agree that choice A is out for the stated reason, but choice B is also out for a reason that is sure to come up: why didn’t you think of your children before you accepted the offer? Also, does wanting to spend more time with your children mean you are not going to run for re-election to the senate? This approach at disembowelment doesn’t lend any “credibility to Biden’s withdrawing for personal reasons, not because he lost a debate to Palin.” For a personal reason to have any credibility at all at this point, it would have to be due to something unexpected that just came up. 

“How much will it hurt Obama now to take Hillary on as his second choice?” 

Jettisoning Biden for Hillary will also drive whatever blue-collar NRA-NASCAR types the Democrats have left over to McCain. It re-enforces the idea that Obama feels weak because he doesn’t know how he even made it this far. 

As Last Angry Man observes about copy-catting, changing horses at this point would show even the dimmest of bulbs that Obama is in desperate reaction mode – not good for a presidential aspirant. 

P.S. Re: “...the broken glass crowd...” 

I’m part of “the broken glass crowd (but as in “I’d crawl &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;naked&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; across two miles of broken glass just to vote against her”).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil: </p>
<p>“If I was Obama, I’d give Joe one of two cover stories to pick from.” </p>
<p>ROTFLMAO! I love it: Choose the sword with which you’re to commit hara-kiri! </p>
<p>I agree that choice A is out for the stated reason, but choice B is also out for a reason that is sure to come up: why didn’t you think of your children before you accepted the offer? Also, does wanting to spend more time with your children mean you are not going to run for re-election to the senate? This approach at disembowelment doesn’t lend any “credibility to Biden’s withdrawing for personal reasons, not because he lost a debate to Palin.” For a personal reason to have any credibility at all at this point, it would have to be due to something unexpected that just came up. </p>
<p>“How much will it hurt Obama now to take Hillary on as his second choice?” </p>
<p>Jettisoning Biden for Hillary will also drive whatever blue-collar NRA-NASCAR types the Democrats have left over to McCain. It re-enforces the idea that Obama feels weak because he doesn’t know how he even made it this far. </p>
<p>As Last Angry Man observes about copy-catting, changing horses at this point would show even the dimmest of bulbs that Obama is in desperate reaction mode – not good for a presidential aspirant. </p>
<p>P.S. Re: “&#8230;the broken glass crowd&#8230;” </p>
<p>I’m part of “the broken glass crowd (but as in “I’d crawl <i><b>naked</b></i> across two miles of broken glass just to vote against her”).</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey G</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/the-hillary-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-73755</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kilovolt, lying about the record?  You mean Obama don&#039;t you? Oh and Biden too?  I can&#039;t use Senator in front of either of those names since you appear to use Governor Palin.

Lying about the record is a dispute that will severely hurt the Ds.  Imagine anyone believing that either Obama or Biden have any executive experience needed to run the Executive Branch.  Are they in panic, you may not think so but events and utterances seem to make your position the minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kilovolt, lying about the record?  You mean Obama don&#8217;t you? Oh and Biden too?  I can&#8217;t use Senator in front of either of those names since you appear to use Governor Palin.</p>
<p>Lying about the record is a dispute that will severely hurt the Ds.  Imagine anyone believing that either Obama or Biden have any executive experience needed to run the Executive Branch.  Are they in panic, you may not think so but events and utterances seem to make your position the minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Last Angry Man</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/the-hillary-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-73753</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Angry Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, true.  Though we are, after all, talking about the here and now, not then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, true.  Though we are, after all, talking about the here and now, not then.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Kilovolt</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/the-hillary-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-73745</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Kilovolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite all the breathlessness on this issue from the right, there is no desperation in the Obama camp, and I don&#039;t see any reason for Biden to withdraw.

In fact, the jury is still out on whether Palin, as sensational (in the tabloid sense of the word) as she has been, is a mistake for the Republicans or not (I don&#039;t say as a mistake for McCain, because she clearly was not his pick). Personally, I&#039;d be a lot more impressed with her if she would stop lying about her record.

&quot;Third, people would see that the Republicans really had the chops to actually place a Woman on the ticket.&quot;

Hey LAM, don&#039;t forget that the Dems have nothing to prove, having beaten the Republicans to it by 24 years, when they put Geraldine Ferraro on the ticket with Mondale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite all the breathlessness on this issue from the right, there is no desperation in the Obama camp, and I don&#8217;t see any reason for Biden to withdraw.</p>
<p>In fact, the jury is still out on whether Palin, as sensational (in the tabloid sense of the word) as she has been, is a mistake for the Republicans or not (I don&#8217;t say as a mistake for McCain, because she clearly was not his pick). Personally, I&#8217;d be a lot more impressed with her if she would stop lying about her record.</p>
<p>&#8220;Third, people would see that the Republicans really had the chops to actually place a Woman on the ticket.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey LAM, don&#8217;t forget that the Dems have nothing to prove, having beaten the Republicans to it by 24 years, when they put Geraldine Ferraro on the ticket with Mondale.</p>
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		<title>By: jdwill07</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdwill07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree about the dilemma and Last Angry Man&#039;s points. Hillary, if asked then or now, might have said no to keep her options open.

Even if they pulled it off and won, the White House would be kinda crowded with three presidents hanging around there. Which, besides Novak&#039;s report on Michelle hating Hillary, is probably the prime reason Obama panned her in the first place.

PS. Black America is also worrying about how they will react if Obama loses (over 1500 comments on this piece):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202414.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

So, we have at least three big groups, blacks, &#039;gals for Hillary&#039;,  and &#039;moms for Sarah&#039; that have big emotional baggage riding on this election. Touchy. Dangerous to tinker with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree about the dilemma and Last Angry Man&#8217;s points. Hillary, if asked then or now, might have said no to keep her options open.</p>
<p>Even if they pulled it off and won, the White House would be kinda crowded with three presidents hanging around there. Which, besides Novak&#8217;s report on Michelle hating Hillary, is probably the prime reason Obama panned her in the first place.</p>
<p>PS. Black America is also worrying about how they will react if Obama loses (over 1500 comments on this piece):<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202414.html?hpid=opinionsbox1" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202414.html?hpid=opinionsbox1</a></p>
<p>So, we have at least three big groups, blacks, &#8216;gals for Hillary&#8217;,  and &#8216;moms for Sarah&#8217; that have big emotional baggage riding on this election. Touchy. Dangerous to tinker with.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey G</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/the-hillary-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-73741</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect it is too late for the change.  A Hillary/Obama or an Obama/Hillary would have been almost unbeatable a month ago.  Since then Obama and Joe have engaged in even more major &quot;hoof and mouth disease&quot; comments that accumulated so heavily that their adoring media has even had to take notice.

Remember Obama has won by getting rid of the opposing candidates so the assault on Governor Palin will continue in full force in the hope that she can be forced to drop out and kill the ticket.

Are there people out there trying to kill presidents and candidates sure, remember Bobby Kennedy, George Wallace, Ronald Reagan, John Kennedy etal.

You may be sure that Obama&#039;s handlers are weighing this question carefully and, if they believe they will not be able to tarnish Governor Palin with truth or lies, they will ruthlessly replace Biden.  I agree with Phil that a substitution might not be a good path for Hillary but her ego might push her into the situtation where she &quot;is only a heartbeat away from the presidency&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it is too late for the change.  A Hillary/Obama or an Obama/Hillary would have been almost unbeatable a month ago.  Since then Obama and Joe have engaged in even more major &#8220;hoof and mouth disease&#8221; comments that accumulated so heavily that their adoring media has even had to take notice.</p>
<p>Remember Obama has won by getting rid of the opposing candidates so the assault on Governor Palin will continue in full force in the hope that she can be forced to drop out and kill the ticket.</p>
<p>Are there people out there trying to kill presidents and candidates sure, remember Bobby Kennedy, George Wallace, Ronald Reagan, John Kennedy etal.</p>
<p>You may be sure that Obama&#8217;s handlers are weighing this question carefully and, if they believe they will not be able to tarnish Governor Palin with truth or lies, they will ruthlessly replace Biden.  I agree with Phil that a substitution might not be a good path for Hillary but her ego might push her into the situtation where she &#8220;is only a heartbeat away from the presidency&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Last Angry Man</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/15/the-hillary-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-73727</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Angry Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to say that if Obama were to engineer Biden&#039;s bowing out and being replaced by Hillary, it wouldn&#039;t amount to a hill of beans.

First, just how much would doing so raise the issue of Obama&#039;s competence?  After all, no one would be in the least fooled by the public rationales for Biden&#039;s demise.  It would be widely understood that Obama made a bad decision and a bad choice, and was trying now to retract it by subterfuge.

Second, could he even *trust* Hillary?  She and Bill are so avaricious for power that he would spend his days as POTUS constantly looking over his shoulder.  Rather than an asset, I&#039;d think the Clinton/Clinton team would be a constant nuisance.

Third, people would see that the Republicans really had the chops to actually place a Woman on the ticket.  But for the Democrats to ditch Biden now and replace him with Hillary would be seen as copy-catting, pure and simple.  Yet another public acknowledgement of a failure of decision-making.

Finally  should this come to pass, it is almost inevitable that the Obama/Clinton ticket would return to certain positions they had used against McCain prior to the VP pick.  &quot;Too old,&quot; in particular.  It would likely be seen that they may well have ditched Biden as he too was a &quot;wrinkled old white Guy,&quot; and to re-raise that tired old issue of ageism would not be taken well.  As if they got rid of Biden so as to again be able to raise this issue, if you see what I mean.

All in all, Obama is in the exact position of &quot;damned if you do, and damned if you don&#039;t.&quot;

And I like it just fine...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to say that if Obama were to engineer Biden&#8217;s bowing out and being replaced by Hillary, it wouldn&#8217;t amount to a hill of beans.</p>
<p>First, just how much would doing so raise the issue of Obama&#8217;s competence?  After all, no one would be in the least fooled by the public rationales for Biden&#8217;s demise.  It would be widely understood that Obama made a bad decision and a bad choice, and was trying now to retract it by subterfuge.</p>
<p>Second, could he even *trust* Hillary?  She and Bill are so avaricious for power that he would spend his days as POTUS constantly looking over his shoulder.  Rather than an asset, I&#8217;d think the Clinton/Clinton team would be a constant nuisance.</p>
<p>Third, people would see that the Republicans really had the chops to actually place a Woman on the ticket.  But for the Democrats to ditch Biden now and replace him with Hillary would be seen as copy-catting, pure and simple.  Yet another public acknowledgement of a failure of decision-making.</p>
<p>Finally  should this come to pass, it is almost inevitable that the Obama/Clinton ticket would return to certain positions they had used against McCain prior to the VP pick.  &#8220;Too old,&#8221; in particular.  It would likely be seen that they may well have ditched Biden as he too was a &#8220;wrinkled old white Guy,&#8221; and to re-raise that tired old issue of ageism would not be taken well.  As if they got rid of Biden so as to again be able to raise this issue, if you see what I mean.</p>
<p>All in all, Obama is in the exact position of &#8220;damned if you do, and damned if you don&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I like it just fine&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chltx</title>
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		<dc:creator>chltx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But what if Obama wins with Hillary on the ticket?  Again, she’s SOL.  Hillary can’t run until 2016 unless Obama pulls an LBJ and refuses to stand for re-election.&quot;

Not so. Just after Barack&#039;s suicide (oops, that probably won&#039;t work as well as it did on Foster), er, illness (hmmm... that might be hard to pull off, too), er, accident (hmmm...), er, assassination (that might be easier, but she would have to also do the &quot;Ruby&quot; to make it harder to track), she could enjoy as many as 10 years as president.

If I was Obama (thankfully, that&#039;s not the case), I wouldn&#039;t consider Hillary unless I had a death wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But what if Obama wins with Hillary on the ticket?  Again, she’s SOL.  Hillary can’t run until 2016 unless Obama pulls an LBJ and refuses to stand for re-election.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not so. Just after Barack&#8217;s suicide (oops, that probably won&#8217;t work as well as it did on Foster), er, illness (hmmm&#8230; that might be hard to pull off, too), er, accident (hmmm&#8230;), er, assassination (that might be easier, but she would have to also do the &#8220;Ruby&#8221; to make it harder to track), she could enjoy as many as 10 years as president.</p>
<p>If I was Obama (thankfully, that&#8217;s not the case), I wouldn&#8217;t consider Hillary unless I had a death wish.</p>
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