Comments on: The Final Debate http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/17/the-final-debate/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:15:22 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: George Shadroui http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/17/the-final-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-74412 George Shadroui Sat, 18 Oct 2008 05:03:11 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/17/the-final-debate/#comment-74412 Look, I understand your frustration. And poor Palin -- the list of conservatives who are dissing her is growing -- Buckley, Noonan, Brooks, the Chicago Tribune, and even inconoclast Christopher Hitchens, who, given his support of the Iraq war should be solidly in her camp. Let's not even get into Gergen, Rollins, and other token Republicans who slice up their own for pay. She will have the last laugh, I suspect, even if not this time around. But, back to McCain, the fact is he is the best choice in this election. (I supported thompson). We don't have perfect choices and many conservatives found even Reagan flawed on critical issues. You should vote for the most conservative available choice, provided it is responsible. And that is mccain. Look, I understand your frustration.

And poor Palin — the list of conservatives who are dissing her is growing — Buckley, Noonan, Brooks, the Chicago Tribune, and even inconoclast Christopher Hitchens, who, given his support of the Iraq war should be solidly in her camp. Let's not even get into Gergen, Rollins, and other token Republicans who slice up their own for pay. She will have the last laugh, I suspect, even if not this time around.

But, back to McCain, the fact is he is the best choice in this election. (I supported thompson). We don't have perfect choices and many conservatives found even Reagan flawed on critical issues. You should vote for the most conservative available choice, provided it is responsible. And that is mccain.

]]> By: exercion http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/17/the-final-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-74410 exercion Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:35:53 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/17/the-final-debate/#comment-74410 Yes, the American electorate has learned quickly in the past. However, the Republican party has not, as they keep handing us awful, non-conservative at best, liberal at worst candidates for President. Always with the mantra of: who else are you going to vote for? "If the Left wins..."?? It's not if, it's just a matter of slim degrees between the two candidates. The conservative vote is taken for absolute granted, one reason McCain feels comfortable chasing the left, while tossing a bone to the conservatives by picking Palin, then not letting her get a solid conservative message out. Now I'd be quite happy with a Palin/McCain ticket, but have zero belief that "...McCain, once things calm down, will be determined to reempower the private markets and private sector, while the Democrats will expand government power and do everything they can to sustain it. This is history that cannot be denied." Stating it can't be denied and proving it are not one and the same thing. Somehow we're to trust that someone who has spent his entire post-vietnam life creating and working in this expanded government will suddenly decide to shrink it??? Worse is this: "..while McCain has demonstrated a pragmatic understanding of the limits of government." What limits? You may recall that this is the guy who with his pal Feingold turned the 1st Amendment into nothing more than toilet paper with pretty scripting with McCain/Feingold, AKA the Incumbents Protection Act. So we can chose from one guy who demonstrated his contempt for the Constitution by limiting free political speech which is the core of the 1st (as well as the 10th, and likely others), or the other guy who has demonstrated his contempt for the 2nd, 10th, and likely others. It is a sad state of affairs for the country. Yes, the American electorate has learned quickly in the past. However, the Republican party has not, as they keep handing us awful, non-conservative at best, liberal at worst candidates for President. Always with the mantra of: who else are you going to vote for? "If the Left wins…"?? It's not if, it's just a matter of slim degrees between the two candidates.

The conservative vote is taken for absolute granted, one reason McCain feels comfortable chasing the left, while tossing a bone to the conservatives by picking Palin, then not letting her get a solid conservative message out. Now I'd be quite happy with a Palin/McCain ticket, but have zero belief that "…McCain, once things calm down, will be determined to reempower the private markets and private sector, while the Democrats will expand government power and do everything they can to sustain it. This is history that cannot be denied." Stating it can't be denied and proving it are not one and the same thing. Somehow we're to trust that someone who has spent his entire post-vietnam life creating and working in this expanded government will suddenly decide to shrink it???

Worse is this: "..while McCain has demonstrated a pragmatic understanding of the limits of government." What limits? You may recall that this is the guy who with his pal Feingold turned the 1st Amendment into nothing more than toilet paper with pretty scripting with McCain/Feingold, AKA the Incumbents Protection Act. So we can chose from one guy who demonstrated his contempt for the Constitution by limiting free political speech which is the core of the 1st (as well as the 10th, and likely others), or the other guy who has demonstrated his contempt for the 2nd, 10th, and likely others. It is a sad state of affairs for the country.

]]> By: sedonaman http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/17/the-final-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-74409 sedonaman Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:36:50 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/17/the-final-debate/#comment-74409 Re: "...the American electorate learns quickly." The problem is that it forgets even <i><b>more</b></i> quickly. Re: "…the American electorate learns quickly."

The problem is that it forgets even more quickly.

]]> By: Ivan Ivanovich http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/17/the-final-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-74407 Ivan Ivanovich Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:32:19 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/17/the-final-debate/#comment-74407 I wonder if Obama was watching Letterman last night when John McCain gave the answer that Obama can, and should, use regarding his associations with bad guys. Just simply "I screwed up" I wonder if Obama was watching Letterman last night when John McCain gave the answer that Obama can, and should, use regarding his associations with bad guys. Just simply "I screwed up"

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