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		<title>By: Bob Stapler</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/28/capitalism-is-superior-to-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-74681</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Stapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Kilovolt&#039;s humorous smears once again miss the mark.  As always, the devil is in the details, and details is something he gives scant attention to.  The cartoonish cartoon he likes so much makes all kinds of mistakes and/or deliberate misconstructions.

1) In his Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith proposed taxes should be levied proportionally; not progressively.  Smith wrote copiously on a number of topics and experimented with various ideas before fixing on the best of them.  Wealth of Nations is Smiths definitive work on all things economic and comes later than other economic writings.  So if he gave some thought to a progressive tax, this would supercede it.

2) The smear his cartoon makes of Eisenhower and Nixon bequeathing 91% and 70% tax rates, respectively, under these Republicans.  However, it makes no mention these were down from 94% under Truman and maintained at the 70% level under LBJ to pay for his Great Society.  Both Eisenhower and Nixon were saddled with Democratic Congresses, and it is Congress, not Presidents, who set these rates.  Nixon tried to bring tax rates down, but Congress was determined to fund the LBJ programs indefinitely.

3) I won&#039;t dispute with him McCain is weak on tax reform, though he did briefly entertain the Fair Tax.  Nonetheless, he is far to the right of Obama on keeping taxes where the are if not actually lowering them further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Kilovolt&#8217;s humorous smears once again miss the mark.  As always, the devil is in the details, and details is something he gives scant attention to.  The cartoonish cartoon he likes so much makes all kinds of mistakes and/or deliberate misconstructions.</p>
<p>1) In his Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith proposed taxes should be levied proportionally; not progressively.  Smith wrote copiously on a number of topics and experimented with various ideas before fixing on the best of them.  Wealth of Nations is Smiths definitive work on all things economic and comes later than other economic writings.  So if he gave some thought to a progressive tax, this would supercede it.</p>
<p>2) The smear his cartoon makes of Eisenhower and Nixon bequeathing 91% and 70% tax rates, respectively, under these Republicans.  However, it makes no mention these were down from 94% under Truman and maintained at the 70% level under LBJ to pay for his Great Society.  Both Eisenhower and Nixon were saddled with Democratic Congresses, and it is Congress, not Presidents, who set these rates.  Nixon tried to bring tax rates down, but Congress was determined to fund the LBJ programs indefinitely.</p>
<p>3) I won&#8217;t dispute with him McCain is weak on tax reform, though he did briefly entertain the Fair Tax.  Nonetheless, he is far to the right of Obama on keeping taxes where the are if not actually lowering them further.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Mulligan</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/28/capitalism-is-superior-to-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-74635</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to the return of the base rate to 39%, an increase in the capital gains tax from 15% to 25%; an increase in the estate tax (the &quot;death tax&quot;) upon its reenactment in 2011; repeal of personal exemptions for people making over 250k (250k this week, that is); repeal of the Social Security payroll tax cap. If your best defense of punitive tax policies is that other presidents have made the same mistake, your case isn&#039;t all that great. What&#039;s really humorous is that Salon and its readership is suddenly defensive of Tricky Dicky and Ike Eisenhower. I noticed Jimmy Carter wasn&#039;t on the list. Too bad, since his tax policies are by far the closest in nature to the Messiah&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the return of the base rate to 39%, an increase in the capital gains tax from 15% to 25%; an increase in the estate tax (the &#8220;death tax&#8221;) upon its reenactment in 2011; repeal of personal exemptions for people making over 250k (250k this week, that is); repeal of the Social Security payroll tax cap. If your best defense of punitive tax policies is that other presidents have made the same mistake, your case isn&#8217;t all that great. What&#8217;s really humorous is that Salon and its readership is suddenly defensive of Tricky Dicky and Ike Eisenhower. I noticed Jimmy Carter wasn&#8217;t on the list. Too bad, since his tax policies are by far the closest in nature to the Messiah&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Kilovolt</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/28/capitalism-is-superior-to-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-74633</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Kilovolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A humorous take on Barack the &quot;Socialist&quot;:
http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2008/10/30/boll/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A humorous take on Barack the &#8220;Socialist&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2008/10/30/boll/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2008/10/30/boll/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Mulligan</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/28/capitalism-is-superior-to-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-74632</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;from your previous posts it seems you are talking about yourself…..or did you forget what you have written….shall I remind you?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, why don&#039;t you go ahead and do that. Remind me. Except to mock your utter and complete ignorance and simplicity, I never wrote a two word definition of a complex political philosophy, or generalized an entire group of people who subscribe to a particular political philosophy, or appealed to a mythical &quot;third way&quot; in place of a substantive argument or idea of my own.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Conservatism = greed, and capitalism is a disease.&quot; The latter is what you would call a metaphor my friend…..it seems you are only proving my belief of most conservatives….unable to think outside of black and white.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Yes, I understand the metaphor. I guess you didn&#039;t quite understand what I was criticizing: your use of metaphor is worthy of a high school English class gold star. So give yourself a pat on the back. The &lt;i&gt;substance&lt;/i&gt; of the metaphor is what makes you a simpleton. You simply throw out broadly generalized statements, with no basis in fact, and no accompanying use of facts or analysis, because you are an ideological hack who is either unwilling or unable to undertake any kind of serious thinking. You are here simply to try to troll, and you&#039;re too transparent to even be effective at that.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;As for Conservatism = greed, if you would like I will break it down for you in terms of logical proof…..or would I just be wasting my time because you seem to be anything but logical.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You keep threating to break out logic and facts like a bank a robber with a concealed gun, but you certainly haven&#039;t resorted to it so far. So I won&#039;t be holding my breath. I doubt you could pull off making an actual logical argument instead of appealing to generalities, ad hominem attacks, emotion, and value judgments anyway. Besides, if any of us disagreed with your juvenile and ignorant proclamations, we&#039;d all just be stupid, backward, ignorant, illogical, greedy old Republican Nazi fascists, right? So, if you&#039;d like to use our supposed deficiencies as a cop out to escape having to reveal your own, by all means be our guest. Saves us both a good deal of discomfort, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;from your previous posts it seems you are talking about yourself…..or did you forget what you have written….shall I remind you?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yeah, why don&#8217;t you go ahead and do that. Remind me. Except to mock your utter and complete ignorance and simplicity, I never wrote a two word definition of a complex political philosophy, or generalized an entire group of people who subscribe to a particular political philosophy, or appealed to a mythical &#8220;third way&#8221; in place of a substantive argument or idea of my own.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Conservatism = greed, and capitalism is a disease.&#8221; The latter is what you would call a metaphor my friend…..it seems you are only proving my belief of most conservatives….unable to think outside of black and white.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Yes, I understand the metaphor. I guess you didn&#8217;t quite understand what I was criticizing: your use of metaphor is worthy of a high school English class gold star. So give yourself a pat on the back. The <i>substance</i> of the metaphor is what makes you a simpleton. You simply throw out broadly generalized statements, with no basis in fact, and no accompanying use of facts or analysis, because you are an ideological hack who is either unwilling or unable to undertake any kind of serious thinking. You are here simply to try to troll, and you&#8217;re too transparent to even be effective at that.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;As for Conservatism = greed, if you would like I will break it down for you in terms of logical proof…..or would I just be wasting my time because you seem to be anything but logical.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You keep threating to break out logic and facts like a bank a robber with a concealed gun, but you certainly haven&#8217;t resorted to it so far. So I won&#8217;t be holding my breath. I doubt you could pull off making an actual logical argument instead of appealing to generalities, ad hominem attacks, emotion, and value judgments anyway. Besides, if any of us disagreed with your juvenile and ignorant proclamations, we&#8217;d all just be stupid, backward, ignorant, illogical, greedy old Republican Nazi fascists, right? So, if you&#8217;d like to use our supposed deficiencies as a cop out to escape having to reveal your own, by all means be our guest. Saves us both a good deal of discomfort, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Ivanovich</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/28/capitalism-is-superior-to-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-74631</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Ivanovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first I thought we were being a little tough on omgucbs, but now I think he has shown himself for the yo-yo he is. But, I’ll give him one more chance. What is this end of work idea? Having spent my whole career in the machinery business, I can claim to be an expert on the subject of automation, productivity, and yes, eliminating humans from the production cycle. I am not the first and I won&#039;t be the last. It started way back when humans discovered fire and sharp stones. Soon some people became very good at knapping stones and others became cooks. That was the start of specialization and wealth creation. So what is the problem with that? Do you prefer the Gandhi solution where hundreds of people are working at spinning wheels or a textile mill where six people keep high production machines running and make a hundred times the output? Did you ever wonder why India is so poor? I’ll be waiting, but please no more buffoon comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I thought we were being a little tough on omgucbs, but now I think he has shown himself for the yo-yo he is. But, I’ll give him one more chance. What is this end of work idea? Having spent my whole career in the machinery business, I can claim to be an expert on the subject of automation, productivity, and yes, eliminating humans from the production cycle. I am not the first and I won&#8217;t be the last. It started way back when humans discovered fire and sharp stones. Soon some people became very good at knapping stones and others became cooks. That was the start of specialization and wealth creation. So what is the problem with that? Do you prefer the Gandhi solution where hundreds of people are working at spinning wheels or a textile mill where six people keep high production machines running and make a hundred times the output? Did you ever wonder why India is so poor? I’ll be waiting, but please no more buffoon comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mountain Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, omgucbs, answer me this:  Who created socialism? Who created fascism? Now, the money question: Who created capitalism?

I think we&#039;ve all cut you a lot of slack here, and we would expect the same from you. If I use a rhetorical device like &quot;the best system ever devised&quot; in the context YOU defined as &quot;economic systems,&quot; can I get some slack as well?

Ok, now, can you find it in you vast intellect to actually deal with the substance of my posts? Your attempt at misdirection refutes no point I have made.

And by the way, I have treated you with respect and answered your posts point-by-point. You in return call me names. Is that your version of intellectual?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, omgucbs, answer me this:  Who created socialism? Who created fascism? Now, the money question: Who created capitalism?</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ve all cut you a lot of slack here, and we would expect the same from you. If I use a rhetorical device like &#8220;the best system ever devised&#8221; in the context YOU defined as &#8220;economic systems,&#8221; can I get some slack as well?</p>
<p>Ok, now, can you find it in you vast intellect to actually deal with the substance of my posts? Your attempt at misdirection refutes no point I have made.</p>
<p>And by the way, I have treated you with respect and answered your posts point-by-point. You in return call me names. Is that your version of intellectual?</p>
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		<title>By: omgucbs</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/10/28/capitalism-is-superior-to-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-74625</link>
		<dc:creator>omgucbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is no superior &quot;system,&quot; because capitalism isn&#039;t a system.&quot;

ok mountain man....merriam and webster seem to disagree:

Main Entry: cap·i·tal·ism  



Pronunciation: \ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm, ˈkap-tə-, British also kə-ˈpi-tə-\ 
Function: noun 
Date: 1877 
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market 


as it seems do you: &quot;Capitalism is the best economic system ever devised, because it perfectly balances all the elements of human nature and economic forces. All other systems are interventionist, and therefore unbalanced.&quot;

you contradict yourself. Come back when you decide.....until then you only sound like a buffoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no superior &#8220;system,&#8221; because capitalism isn&#8217;t a system.&#8221;</p>
<p>ok mountain man&#8230;.merriam and webster seem to disagree:</p>
<p>Main Entry: cap·i·tal·ism  </p>
<p>Pronunciation: \ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm, ˈkap-tə-, British also kə-ˈpi-tə-\<br />
Function: noun<br />
Date: 1877<br />
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market </p>
<p>as it seems do you: &#8220;Capitalism is the best economic system ever devised, because it perfectly balances all the elements of human nature and economic forces. All other systems are interventionist, and therefore unbalanced.&#8221;</p>
<p>you contradict yourself. Come back when you decide&#8230;..until then you only sound like a buffoon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mountain Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omgucbs,

&quot;The end of work&quot; is not a problem of capitalism. Capitalism didn&#039;t force people to choose training in a vocation with no demand. Capitalism doesn&#039;t cause companies to relocate overseas to escape the oppressive taxation and regulation of government. 

Capitalism, absent government social engineering experiments, is the answer to your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omgucbs,</p>
<p>&#8220;The end of work&#8221; is not a problem of capitalism. Capitalism didn&#8217;t force people to choose training in a vocation with no demand. Capitalism doesn&#8217;t cause companies to relocate overseas to escape the oppressive taxation and regulation of government. </p>
<p>Capitalism, absent government social engineering experiments, is the answer to your question.</p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mountain Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omgucbs,

You moved the goal posts, so I guess I have to kick again. No one is talking about &quot;modern capitalism.&quot; There is no such thing. Capitalism is exactly what I have defined it to be. Anything outside that definition is not capitalism.

&quot;We are not a free people.&quot; You are proving my point. Capitalism, by definition, requires free people engaging in relationships and exchanges (as defined above) unfettered by government intrusion. The fact we are not free is a failure of government, not capitalism.

&quot;I just believe there is a greater philosophy out there. A combination of the best of all others…&quot; Repeating yourself doesn&#039;t change facts, and only amounts to wishful thinking. There is no superior &quot;system,&quot; because capitalism isn&#039;t a system. It&#039;s human nature, and it perfectly expresses that human nature.

&quot;...equitable for all...&quot; is a leftist worldview. Enforcing economic equity is also know as socialism. Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried, because it is contrary to human nature.

Worship of money is a sin, not a matter of law or government intervention. Therefore, the Gospel of Christ ought to be spread, not government power over people. Is that too broad for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omgucbs,</p>
<p>You moved the goal posts, so I guess I have to kick again. No one is talking about &#8220;modern capitalism.&#8221; There is no such thing. Capitalism is exactly what I have defined it to be. Anything outside that definition is not capitalism.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are not a free people.&#8221; You are proving my point. Capitalism, by definition, requires free people engaging in relationships and exchanges (as defined above) unfettered by government intrusion. The fact we are not free is a failure of government, not capitalism.</p>
<p>&#8220;I just believe there is a greater philosophy out there. A combination of the best of all others…&#8221; Repeating yourself doesn&#8217;t change facts, and only amounts to wishful thinking. There is no superior &#8220;system,&#8221; because capitalism isn&#8217;t a system. It&#8217;s human nature, and it perfectly expresses that human nature.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;equitable for all&#8230;&#8221; is a leftist worldview. Enforcing economic equity is also know as socialism. Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried, because it is contrary to human nature.</p>
<p>Worship of money is a sin, not a matter of law or government intervention. Therefore, the Gospel of Christ ought to be spread, not government power over people. Is that too broad for you?</p>
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		<title>By: omgucbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>omgucbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also seems noone wants to touch my thoughts on the end of work. Why is that? I would seriously like to know others thoughts on this because it is something that will effect all....regardless of party affiliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also seems noone wants to touch my thoughts on the end of work. Why is that? I would seriously like to know others thoughts on this because it is something that will effect all&#8230;.regardless of party affiliation.</p>
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