Comments on: Mock the Vote http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:00:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ivan Ivanovich http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74724 Ivan Ivanovich Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:55:00 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74724 Sedonaman Yes, I think you are refering to the second law of thermodynamics defined by Rudolf Clausius in 1850. But I prefer Thomas Jefferson's word from earlier: ""God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Sedonaman
Yes, I think you are refering to the second law of thermodynamics defined by Rudolf Clausius in 1850.
But I prefer Thomas Jefferson’s word from earlier: “”God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it’s rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”

]]> By: sedonaman http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74715 sedonaman Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:17:08 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74715 Mickey G: Re: "Democracy, just like socialism/communism, cannot survive." The natural tendency of the universe is from order to disorder. When something is built, it must be maintained. I suspect this would be true about any man-made government. Mickey G:

Re: “Democracy, just like socialism/communism, cannot survive.”

The natural tendency of the universe is from order to disorder. When something is built, it must be maintained. I suspect this would be true about any man-made government.

]]> By: rjw1415 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74694 rjw1415 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:09:12 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74694 Great article. I have often felt trapped by the 2 party system. Great article. I have often felt trapped by the 2 party system.

]]> By: Patrick Mulligan http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74678 Patrick Mulligan Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:15:38 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74678 Mickey, That was precisely what I was saying - America is not a democracy, and was not founded as such. I supposed my southern baptist school may have taught civics a little differently than most :) The question still stands though: is this criticism of democracy even relevant, since we don't live in one? Or, if we indeed have a defacto democracy, is it really the result of an authoritarian conspiracy tracing back to tribal hunter/gatherer's? Mickey,

That was precisely what I was saying – America is not a democracy, and was not founded as such. I supposed my southern baptist school may have taught civics a little differently than most :) The question still stands though: is this criticism of democracy even relevant, since we don’t live in one? Or, if we indeed have a defacto democracy, is it really the result of an authoritarian conspiracy tracing back to tribal hunter/gatherer’s?

]]> By: Mickey G http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74673 Mickey G Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:08:44 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74673 What the children taking civics are not told is that the electoral college was created to stop the concept of democracy and preserve states rights. Unfortunately some have taken the step of giving the states rights away and acceding to the national vote count. Read the Federalist Papers to see what the framers felt about democracy and why they believed it was untenable. Democracy, just like socialism/communism, cannot survive. What the children taking civics are not told is that the electoral college was created to stop the concept of democracy and preserve states rights. Unfortunately some have taken the step of giving the states rights away and acceding to the national vote count. Read the Federalist Papers to see what the framers felt about democracy and why they believed it was untenable.

Democracy, just like socialism/communism, cannot survive.

]]> By: Patrick Mulligan http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74668 Patrick Mulligan Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:40:04 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74668 Congratulations - now you understand, like every child who's ever completed 7th grade civics, why our founding fathers did not, in fact, establish a democracy when they wrote the founding documents of the United States of America. With that in mind, is this criticism really relevant to the form of government that we actually have? If we have a defacto democracy, is that a situation created by the apathy and ignorance of the "immense ass" referenced by sedonaman, or by some evil political cabal that apparently goes back to the religious structures of pre-historic man? Is there an alternative? Certainly not anarchy, since the tenets of anarchy are not enforceable without authority, in which case it would cease to be anarchy. We've already ruled out dictatorship, monarchy, theocracy, and actual, literal, intentional democracy. Any suggestions? Congratulations – now you understand, like every child who’s ever completed 7th grade civics, why our founding fathers did not, in fact, establish a democracy when they wrote the founding documents of the United States of America. With that in mind, is this criticism really relevant to the form of government that we actually have? If we have a defacto democracy, is that a situation created by the apathy and ignorance of the “immense ass” referenced by sedonaman, or by some evil political cabal that apparently goes back to the religious structures of pre-historic man? Is there an alternative? Certainly not anarchy, since the tenets of anarchy are not enforceable without authority, in which case it would cease to be anarchy. We’ve already ruled out dictatorship, monarchy, theocracy, and actual, literal, intentional democracy. Any suggestions?

]]> By: Influence http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74667 Influence Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:14:42 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74667 Best column I have read on this site. The only time I really feel alive is when I'm hunting or fishing. Best column I have read on this site. The only time I really feel alive is when I’m hunting or fishing.

]]> By: sedonaman http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74666 sedonaman Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:30:26 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74666 Ogden Nash once defined the public as “one immense ass.” If both parties are essentially the same, it's because they are appealing to the same immense ass. Ogden Nash once defined the public as “one immense ass.” If both parties are essentially the same, it’s because they are appealing to the same immense ass.

]]> By: AMAI http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74663 AMAI Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:14:15 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74663 I've thought this about democracy for a long time. It's refreshing to see someone else coming to the same conclusion. I think that "democracy" is appropriate in the private setting. Those who disagree are usually free to leave and seek others to hang out with, or work with, or go along with whatever it is the majority decided. But in a nation, "majority rules" has always struck me as just another form of statism, when it results in the minority of the moment losing their rights to life liberty &/or property. I’ve thought this about democracy for a long time. It’s refreshing to see someone else coming to the same conclusion. I think that “democracy” is appropriate in the private setting. Those who disagree are usually free to leave and seek others to hang out with, or work with, or go along with whatever it is the majority decided. But in a nation, “majority rules” has always struck me as just another form of statism, when it results in the minority of the moment losing their rights to life liberty &/or property.

]]> By: jeanedcrusader1 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-74661 jeanedcrusader1 Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:36:00 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/01/mock-the-vote/#comment-74661 Interesting twist that I haven't heard before. The liberal illuminati and the conservatives are essentially the same, feeding off each other, and limit us while presenting the appearance of choice. By offering us two opposing candidates they are giving us the choice of two evils that will never overcome one another. What kind of freedom do we really have when operating in these parameters? Interesting twist that I haven’t heard before. The liberal illuminati and the conservatives are essentially the same, feeding off each other, and limit us while presenting the appearance of choice. By offering us two opposing candidates they are giving us the choice of two evils that will never overcome one another. What kind of freedom do we really have when operating in these parameters?

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