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		<title>By: Mickey G</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/08/whither-conservatism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-74826</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yonkel, my take of my state of NC is that a very large expenditure based in attack ads deluged our media.  The NC elections were purchased not won on ideals, policy, or platforms and they rode the coat tails of a segment of the population that rarely votes.  Couple that with a corrupt voting system that does not even ask for basic identification when you vote and there is no idea what percentage of the North Carolina vote was fraudelent.

Regarding the Republican Party...it is dead!  If they follow your suggestions they will maintain the fiction of a two party system while offering only the same ideas and ideology as the opposition.  Like it or not a strong move to the right is the only thing that will recusitate the Republican Party and take it off the autopsy table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yonkel, my take of my state of NC is that a very large expenditure based in attack ads deluged our media.  The NC elections were purchased not won on ideals, policy, or platforms and they rode the coat tails of a segment of the population that rarely votes.  Couple that with a corrupt voting system that does not even ask for basic identification when you vote and there is no idea what percentage of the North Carolina vote was fraudelent.</p>
<p>Regarding the Republican Party&#8230;it is dead!  If they follow your suggestions they will maintain the fiction of a two party system while offering only the same ideas and ideology as the opposition.  Like it or not a strong move to the right is the only thing that will recusitate the Republican Party and take it off the autopsy table.</p>
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		<title>By: yonkel</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/08/whither-conservatism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-74807</link>
		<dc:creator>yonkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven:

&quot;Senator McCain won the Republican nomination, but was the weakest potential candidate in the field when it came to the general election.&quot;

On what do you base this?

Obama&#039;s margin was about 6.5% in a country in which the current percentage of people who identify with the Democrats over Republicans is between 5 and 10% and Rasmussen had Dems ahead 7-8% on the generic congressional ballot.

Given Bush&#039;s dismal approval rating and the above national preference for the Dems, why do you think Giuli, Thompson, or Romney might have done better. I think it is just speculation.

I wouldn&#039;t have time to analyze all the individual votes, but clearly in my own state of NC, McCain ran well ahead of Elizabeth Dole. Another state I like to look at is Colorodo as it was an open seat and a conservative GOP ran against a liberal Dem. and again McCain ran comfortably ahead of the GOP candidate.

As to Palin, she obviously had an initial positive effect on the campaign, but after not too long her unfavorables increased. The last favorability poll I could find shows Palin at 37% favorable vs 37% unfavorable which compares with the old guy Biden at 43% favorable and 21% unfavorable and McCain at 43 to 42:

http://www.pollingreport.com/P.htm 

Scott Elliot a conservative pollster at Election Projection actually felt that Palin was a possible contributor to the GOP fade, and people like George Will who very much disliked Palin represent a part of the GOP that will desert the party if she gains ascendency.

My own belief is that the future of the party is with the policies of McCain though they could produce a more charismatic candidate. 

Palin represents the stronger conservatives and evangelicals. The GOP tapped out the evangelicals in the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s and the ideological strong conservatives only represent about 30% of the population. To attract the new demographics of immigrants, young people, and a more active African American electorate, Sarah Palin is not the one. You don&#039;t need Idaho, you need PA, OH, and VA.

Norm Coleman? One of the few GOPs to win in a state that went fairly strong for Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven:</p>
<p>&#8220;Senator McCain won the Republican nomination, but was the weakest potential candidate in the field when it came to the general election.&#8221;</p>
<p>On what do you base this?</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s margin was about 6.5% in a country in which the current percentage of people who identify with the Democrats over Republicans is between 5 and 10% and Rasmussen had Dems ahead 7-8% on the generic congressional ballot.</p>
<p>Given Bush&#8217;s dismal approval rating and the above national preference for the Dems, why do you think Giuli, Thompson, or Romney might have done better. I think it is just speculation.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t have time to analyze all the individual votes, but clearly in my own state of NC, McCain ran well ahead of Elizabeth Dole. Another state I like to look at is Colorodo as it was an open seat and a conservative GOP ran against a liberal Dem. and again McCain ran comfortably ahead of the GOP candidate.</p>
<p>As to Palin, she obviously had an initial positive effect on the campaign, but after not too long her unfavorables increased. The last favorability poll I could find shows Palin at 37% favorable vs 37% unfavorable which compares with the old guy Biden at 43% favorable and 21% unfavorable and McCain at 43 to 42:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/P.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.pollingreport.com/P.htm</a> </p>
<p>Scott Elliot a conservative pollster at Election Projection actually felt that Palin was a possible contributor to the GOP fade, and people like George Will who very much disliked Palin represent a part of the GOP that will desert the party if she gains ascendency.</p>
<p>My own belief is that the future of the party is with the policies of McCain though they could produce a more charismatic candidate. </p>
<p>Palin represents the stronger conservatives and evangelicals. The GOP tapped out the evangelicals in the 70&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s and the ideological strong conservatives only represent about 30% of the population. To attract the new demographics of immigrants, young people, and a more active African American electorate, Sarah Palin is not the one. You don&#8217;t need Idaho, you need PA, OH, and VA.</p>
<p>Norm Coleman? One of the few GOPs to win in a state that went fairly strong for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey G</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/11/08/whither-conservatism-2/comment-page-1/#comment-74788</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on the many positions taken by the Omessiah there is little possibility that he will be able to hold on to his coalition without taking steps that are destructive to the fabric of the country.  The Republican Party, on the other hand, is dead!

So, how will change come about after the Omessiah self-destructs?  It will come on the wings of elections won at local, county, state, and national levels in that order.  The initial driving force will be income redistribution from those that earned it to those with their hands out for it, followed by massive job loss as small business owners like me and my partners eliminate all employees and reduce our start up efforts to only those that are guaranteed a return and beyond the ability of a socialist government to tax or take over NOTE: this may change our investment behaviour to off shore enterprises in carefully selected locations that prize the entrpreneur.

It will be a long 4 years unless one of the odd ball citizenship claims turns out to be accurate, then we will see civil unrest (read this as civil war) reach new heights therefore each thinking citizen needs to take steps now to protect assets and family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the many positions taken by the Omessiah there is little possibility that he will be able to hold on to his coalition without taking steps that are destructive to the fabric of the country.  The Republican Party, on the other hand, is dead!</p>
<p>So, how will change come about after the Omessiah self-destructs?  It will come on the wings of elections won at local, county, state, and national levels in that order.  The initial driving force will be income redistribution from those that earned it to those with their hands out for it, followed by massive job loss as small business owners like me and my partners eliminate all employees and reduce our start up efforts to only those that are guaranteed a return and beyond the ability of a socialist government to tax or take over NOTE: this may change our investment behaviour to off shore enterprises in carefully selected locations that prize the entrpreneur.</p>
<p>It will be a long 4 years unless one of the odd ball citizenship claims turns out to be accurate, then we will see civil unrest (read this as civil war) reach new heights therefore each thinking citizen needs to take steps now to protect assets and family.</p>
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		<title>By: jeanedcrusader1</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeanedcrusader1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent commentary on the downtrodden Republicans&#039; situation. One especially cogent point is that no perfect candidate exists, but one must be sought out and chosen, specifically who is young, articulate and feisty--a la Sarah Palin. Who is cultivating these leaders? And Palin will continue to be a strong presence in the right-wing camp and hopefully can unite the stragglers and naysayers by 2010. It will be quite the job, but she must be ready and willing to take the illuminati left and the MSM in stride. And can she get some new campaign managers, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent commentary on the downtrodden Republicans&#8217; situation. One especially cogent point is that no perfect candidate exists, but one must be sought out and chosen, specifically who is young, articulate and feisty&#8211;a la Sarah Palin. Who is cultivating these leaders? And Palin will continue to be a strong presence in the right-wing camp and hopefully can unite the stragglers and naysayers by 2010. It will be quite the job, but she must be ready and willing to take the illuminati left and the MSM in stride. And can she get some new campaign managers, please?</p>
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		<title>By: luminousball</title>
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		<dc:creator>luminousball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronald Reagan was the man for his time, but he wouldn&#039;t be the man for today.  The GOP must reckon with the fact that Obama has inspired the populace in much the same way that Reagan did in 1980, in fact, garnering a larger percentage of the popular vote than did Reagan in 1980.  It will be an uphill battle for Palin or Jindal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald Reagan was the man for his time, but he wouldn&#8217;t be the man for today.  The GOP must reckon with the fact that Obama has inspired the populace in much the same way that Reagan did in 1980, in fact, garnering a larger percentage of the popular vote than did Reagan in 1980.  It will be an uphill battle for Palin or Jindal.</p>
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		<title>By: AMAI</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMAI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be really refreshing is if the Republican Party actually set out to resurrect the Bill of Rights and cast off any &amp; all political positions that are in opposition to the rights to life, liberty &amp; the pursuit of happiness. Is it too much to ask for someone to embrace those rights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be really refreshing is if the Republican Party actually set out to resurrect the Bill of Rights and cast off any &amp; all political positions that are in opposition to the rights to life, liberty &amp; the pursuit of happiness. Is it too much to ask for someone to embrace those rights?</p>
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