Comments on: Minnesota Recount: Theater of Political Absurd

By: sedonaman

sedonaman — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:12:04 +0000

John Emerson:

Re: “People should wait until the votes have all been counted before they shoot off their mouths.”

And how could anyone know the count is correct? See my question in #5. Unfortunately, there seems to be a lot to what GriffithLea says in #6.

By: John Emerson

John Emerson — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:58:55 +0000

So far no one has come up with any serious evidence of foul play. All there’s been so far is the routine correction of routine mistakes. That’s what Republican Governor Pawlenty says, anyway. People shouldn’t talk about a stolen election until they have evidence.

The gap between the candidate is about 200 votes, and there are still more than 6,000 votes not counted. The recount is automatic, routine, and required by law. No one has won. People should wait until the votes have all been counted before they shoot off their mouths.

So far Franken has done exactly the same thing that Coleman would do if Coleman were in Franken’s position. He’s completely right to stay in the race. Nobody knows how this will turn out.

By: Last Angry Man

Last Angry Man — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:57:16 +0000

Phil:

*Especially* when no one is looking.

Hope your Thanksgiving went well.

LAM

By: Phillip Ellis Jackson

Phillip Ellis Jackson — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:12:54 +0000

LAM: As corny as it seems, I live by the same code. Treat people honestly and ethically — even when no one is looking. Have a good Thanksgiving. Phil

By: Last Angry Man

Last Angry Man — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:36:17 +0000

omgucbs: Yes, this is true; politics is a dirty business, all around. We can get into who is more dirty than whom another day.

Phil: Moral Relativism will be the death of us all.

The other day, an envelope was slipped under my apartment door by error. It contained a $100 repayment of a debt by a neighbor, intended for another tenant (he got the apartment number wrong). I sought out the correct recipient and made certain they received it. I was thanked profusely, but I need not have been.

That’s how ethical people operate, or so I perceive it. Your word is your bond. Unfortunately, many of our countrymen would consider me to be a sap for having done so. Screw them. I have to live with myself.

By: Phillip Ellis Jackson

Phillip Ellis Jackson — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:34:05 +0000

> so familiar that I think we have seen that before….maybe in the previous two presidential elections.

Certainly with Gore in trying to steal Florida, but Kerry didn’t contest Ohio, so I’d cut him some slack. However Obama is in a category by himself with his scam to accept foreign money and the ACORN vote-fraud support he encouraged.

That is, of course, what you were referring to.

>Noone wants to work together to do the right thing for everyone …

Another platitude. “Doing the right thing” involves a subjective evaluation, as the War in Iraq clearly demonstrates. A strictly issues-based campaign is impossible in a vibrant political system, because elections are always about more than “issues”. They are about intangible factors as well (political/economic philosophy, leadership, confidence, etc.).

You can’t excuse bad behavior by saying that everyone does it. It is moral relativism at its worst. Stealing a dollar from a rich man and stealing a million dollars from a company pension plan are both theft. The latter is not excused or explained away by the former.

By: omgucbs

omgucbs — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:54:04 +0000

Angry Man,
No shame, no morals, no ethics….”win by any means”…..sounds familiar…..so familiar that I think we have seen that before….maybe in the previous two presidential elections? Actually, it sounds more like the way all politicians run for office….on the left…on the right….in the middle…..you rarely see anyone run a strictly issue based campaign…..one reason why we are in such a state as we are now. Noone wants to work together to do the right thing for everyone….they just concentrate on winning and losing.

By: sleeveen78

sleeveen78 — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:27:42 +0000

One more thing: to suggest that those of us who would vote for a Harvard grad who grew up here in MN, who knows everything about everyone in this state who is struggling and has been trampled by fat Republicans rather than some Brooklyn carpetbagger who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about anyone but himself and his fat-cat friends in the oil companies are ignorant is criminal. Not only would the total ever come to anything even close to 66-33, we don’t even have that many rednecks to give Coleman that kind of total. So, you’re argument is moot. Coleman is an embarrassment to everyone. I hate his face. It represents greed. Franken will end up Senator from MN, and Coleman will end up dying alone in prison where he belongs. He’s a fraud and a thief. Even if Coleman comes out on top, there’s no way he’ll even finish a couple of weeks without getting frog-marched out of his fancy, free mansion in shackles. I hate his guts and would love to slap the face of anyone who is dumb enough to support him.

By: sleeveen78

sleeveen78 — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:19:26 +0000

Wow! You guys really want to go down the stolen election route. You’ve got some gall. First of, how dare you suggest that we Minnesotans are as shady as the rest of the country. We hold ourselves to higher standards and take pride in it. Secondly, there are a ton of missing ballots. The recount totals did not add up to the original vote totals. I’d be willing to bet the farm the missing ballots are Democratic. The fact is that Republicans are the worlds biggest hypocrites. You stole Ohio in 04. You stole Florida in 2000. George Bush should not have ever been President, let alone for two terms. Norm Coleman and all other Republicans have never done anything for Minnesota. NOTHING!!!! It’s the Republicans fault the bridge went down. Thanks, Tim Pawlenty! Jackass. Republicans stand for only two things:arrogance and greed. Wait, better make that three: throw in murderous war mongering while we’re at it. If anyone is going to steal this election it will be the Republicans. I guarantee it.

By: Last Angry Man

Last Angry Man — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:49:32 +0000

GL, I regret that this will likely be so. Those people have no shame, no morals or ethics. Their simple mantra is “win by any means.”