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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Islamo-Fascists&#8221; and &#8220;White Racists&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Jim P</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/01/09/islamo-fascists-and-white-racists/comment-page-1/#comment-75830</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yet the reality of the Islamic terrorist stands in stark contrast to the ideality of the &quot;Islamo-Fascist.&quot; The latter is an abstraction.  The &quot;Islamo-Fascist&quot; is a fiction, the embodiment of raw, undifferentiated Evil, the despiser of all that lives.  According to the Bill Bennetts, Sean Hannitys, and David Horowitzs of the world, he is consumed by &quot;hatred&quot; for anything other than himself, but this &quot;hatred&quot; is born of insanity, the product of a wild irrationality.  It isn&#039;t that the reasons for his &quot;hatred&quot; are illegitimate; there are no reasons for it.  The &quot;Islamo-Fascist&quot; &quot;hates&quot; the United States especially because the latter is &quot;so good&quot; and he is so &quot;evil.&quot;

Unquestionably, when imminently threatened by anyone, I firmly believe that one must act first and ask questions later.  That &quot;Islamo-Fascism&quot; is a fiction alters not in the least the fact that the world is full of Islamic terrorists that desire to destroy American life, murderous vipers whose ambitions we must crush with nothing less than death.  Yet if our objective is to achieve a genuine understanding of who our enemies are — an objective purportedly shared by a considerable number of people, including those who believe in the threat of &quot;Islamo-Fascism&quot; no less than those who do not — then we need to move beyond the caricatures.  And &quot;Islamo-Fascism&quot; is indeed a gross caricature.&quot;

I don&#039;t think that this argument is valid for the simple reason that I believe that the whole argument was framed based on a false premise.  I have never heard Islamo fascism being described as being perpetrated by someone whom is motivated solely by a kind of insanity marked by hatred.  If you accept this, then the argument makes sense.  However, this is not something I have ever heard.  Not by those talk show hosts mentioned, nor by any other conservative.  Hatred is, of course a motivating factor.  But the term Islamo Fascist is meant to draw a distinction between other non violent muslims, or other types of terrorists.  Therefore, this distinction is important, because as any term does, it defines succinctly and unequivocably just what it is we are talking about.  

As I understand it, the term Islamo fascist describes a militant breed of terrorist who is grounded in the ideals of the Islamic religion.   If you take Mr Kerwicks definition, then the Fascist part of the name has no meaning.  After all, if the islamo fascist is simply some crazy, hateful, nihilist, the term Fascist means nothing in that context.  The reason that &quot;fascist&quot; is part of the description is because this type of militant terrorist is interested in IMPOSING religious law and doctrine as a form of government.  In this case, it is Sharia law.  Thus, the term &quot;islamio&quot;  Placed before the &quot;fascist&quot; tells us that the fascistic nature of this brand of terrorist is based in Islam.  This is what I understand Islamo Fascist to mean.  While the Islamo Fascist may be hateful, he is anything but irrational, nor is he insane.  I don&#039;t know a single well known conservative thinker that argues that the Islamofascist is any of these things.  However, what I DO understand is that the IslamoFascist is hateful because he despises the Infidel, he despises Western values and Western culture, he despises Democracy, he despises Jews and Israel, and all those who help Israel.  The Islamo Fascist hates, not because he is irrational, but because the brand of Islam that he believes in tells him to despise these things, and the islamo fascist acts accordingly.

The White racist is not anywhere near equal to the Islamo Fascist.  While the Islamofascist can be quickly determined according to the criteria I have established, the White racist is nebulous.  One cannot assign the same criteria to the white racist because the white racist is not visible, is not bound by a set of values and motivations the same way that the Islamo Fascist is.  Where the islamo fascist is represented very clearly by groups such as Al Qaeda, the white racist has no similar correlary, except maybe the KKK.  However the KKK does not factor in to current events to any significant degree, nor does the KKK follow a guiding set of values or principles, nor is the KKK trying to impose a governing body.  
Nobody argues that Islamo Fascists are one dimensional, and the term itself conveys a far more sophisticated definition which serves to clearly identify the motivations and principles of a type of terrorist or activist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet the reality of the Islamic terrorist stands in stark contrast to the ideality of the &#8220;Islamo-Fascist.&#8221; The latter is an abstraction.  The &#8220;Islamo-Fascist&#8221; is a fiction, the embodiment of raw, undifferentiated Evil, the despiser of all that lives.  According to the Bill Bennetts, Sean Hannitys, and David Horowitzs of the world, he is consumed by &#8220;hatred&#8221; for anything other than himself, but this &#8220;hatred&#8221; is born of insanity, the product of a wild irrationality.  It isn&#8217;t that the reasons for his &#8220;hatred&#8221; are illegitimate; there are no reasons for it.  The &#8220;Islamo-Fascist&#8221; &#8220;hates&#8221; the United States especially because the latter is &#8220;so good&#8221; and he is so &#8220;evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unquestionably, when imminently threatened by anyone, I firmly believe that one must act first and ask questions later.  That &#8220;Islamo-Fascism&#8221; is a fiction alters not in the least the fact that the world is full of Islamic terrorists that desire to destroy American life, murderous vipers whose ambitions we must crush with nothing less than death.  Yet if our objective is to achieve a genuine understanding of who our enemies are — an objective purportedly shared by a considerable number of people, including those who believe in the threat of &#8220;Islamo-Fascism&#8221; no less than those who do not — then we need to move beyond the caricatures.  And &#8220;Islamo-Fascism&#8221; is indeed a gross caricature.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that this argument is valid for the simple reason that I believe that the whole argument was framed based on a false premise.  I have never heard Islamo fascism being described as being perpetrated by someone whom is motivated solely by a kind of insanity marked by hatred.  If you accept this, then the argument makes sense.  However, this is not something I have ever heard.  Not by those talk show hosts mentioned, nor by any other conservative.  Hatred is, of course a motivating factor.  But the term Islamo Fascist is meant to draw a distinction between other non violent muslims, or other types of terrorists.  Therefore, this distinction is important, because as any term does, it defines succinctly and unequivocably just what it is we are talking about.  </p>
<p>As I understand it, the term Islamo fascist describes a militant breed of terrorist who is grounded in the ideals of the Islamic religion.   If you take Mr Kerwicks definition, then the Fascist part of the name has no meaning.  After all, if the islamo fascist is simply some crazy, hateful, nihilist, the term Fascist means nothing in that context.  The reason that &#8220;fascist&#8221; is part of the description is because this type of militant terrorist is interested in IMPOSING religious law and doctrine as a form of government.  In this case, it is Sharia law.  Thus, the term &#8220;islamio&#8221;  Placed before the &#8220;fascist&#8221; tells us that the fascistic nature of this brand of terrorist is based in Islam.  This is what I understand Islamo Fascist to mean.  While the Islamo Fascist may be hateful, he is anything but irrational, nor is he insane.  I don&#8217;t know a single well known conservative thinker that argues that the Islamofascist is any of these things.  However, what I DO understand is that the IslamoFascist is hateful because he despises the Infidel, he despises Western values and Western culture, he despises Democracy, he despises Jews and Israel, and all those who help Israel.  The Islamo Fascist hates, not because he is irrational, but because the brand of Islam that he believes in tells him to despise these things, and the islamo fascist acts accordingly.</p>
<p>The White racist is not anywhere near equal to the Islamo Fascist.  While the Islamofascist can be quickly determined according to the criteria I have established, the White racist is nebulous.  One cannot assign the same criteria to the white racist because the white racist is not visible, is not bound by a set of values and motivations the same way that the Islamo Fascist is.  Where the islamo fascist is represented very clearly by groups such as Al Qaeda, the white racist has no similar correlary, except maybe the KKK.  However the KKK does not factor in to current events to any significant degree, nor does the KKK follow a guiding set of values or principles, nor is the KKK trying to impose a governing body.<br />
Nobody argues that Islamo Fascists are one dimensional, and the term itself conveys a far more sophisticated definition which serves to clearly identify the motivations and principles of a type of terrorist or activist.</p>
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		<title>By: jptxs</title>
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		<dc:creator>jptxs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point for clarification: are you saying that you believe that the north/south war is, in fact, to blame for this chain of events (maybe chain of events is too strong a description).  Or are you simply pointing out the flaw in the logic that creates the idea of the islamo-fascist by applying it to the north/south situation to show the absurd outcome?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point for clarification: are you saying that you believe that the north/south war is, in fact, to blame for this chain of events (maybe chain of events is too strong a description).  Or are you simply pointing out the flaw in the logic that creates the idea of the islamo-fascist by applying it to the north/south situation to show the absurd outcome?</p>
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		<title>By: russellshih</title>
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		<dc:creator>russellshih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are Islamic Fascists--I suppose that is a comtemporary term just as &quot;white racist&quot; is.  If George Washington and R.E. Lee were alive today they would be called white racists.  In some lefty circles they are that. Many want to rewrite history to conform to contemporary norms.  We can see this in our schools new text books.  History is written by the victors---whoever wins the current debate will write the history, and it will be the gospel until such time that a new order comes along and then--yes, you know, and rewrites that. The continuing struggle in the protract conflict within the systemic revolution---an old story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are Islamic Fascists&#8211;I suppose that is a comtemporary term just as &#8220;white racist&#8221; is.  If George Washington and R.E. Lee were alive today they would be called white racists.  In some lefty circles they are that. Many want to rewrite history to conform to contemporary norms.  We can see this in our schools new text books.  History is written by the victors&#8212;whoever wins the current debate will write the history, and it will be the gospel until such time that a new order comes along and then&#8211;yes, you know, and rewrites that. The continuing struggle in the protract conflict within the systemic revolution&#8212;an old story.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Mulligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not entirely inaccurate to say that the Islamic terrorist, by whatever name you call him, acts out of irrational motivation, as the &quot;Islamo-Fascist&quot; crowd contends. However, the irrational motivation is not purely irrational hatred in and of itself. It is the dictates of religious fanatacism. However, political correctness being what it is, it is verboten to identify the source of the irrationality as Islam itself. As we are constantly reminded, Islam is a religion, nay, THE religioin of peace. Consequently the blame must be shifted to something else; irrational hatred for its own sake for the right, and white (perhaps more properly &quot;Western&quot;) racism for the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not entirely inaccurate to say that the Islamic terrorist, by whatever name you call him, acts out of irrational motivation, as the &#8220;Islamo-Fascist&#8221; crowd contends. However, the irrational motivation is not purely irrational hatred in and of itself. It is the dictates of religious fanatacism. However, political correctness being what it is, it is verboten to identify the source of the irrationality as Islam itself. As we are constantly reminded, Islam is a religion, nay, THE religioin of peace. Consequently the blame must be shifted to something else; irrational hatred for its own sake for the right, and white (perhaps more properly &#8220;Western&#8221;) racism for the left.</p>
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