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What makes Obama think that a Palestinian state will make Iran hate Israel any less than it does now?
You would think the President of the United States would give pause before engaging Iran.
You would think the President of the United States would be wary of a country that has aided insurgents to kill American soldiers in Iraq.
You would think the President of the United States would proceed cautiously towards a country that created Hezbollah, a terrorist organization responsible for killing 241 U.S. Marines in Beirut.
You would think the President of the United States would be mindful of a country prepared to take our citizens hostage as it did when it seized our embassy in Tehran thirty years ago.
You would also think the President of the United States would guarantee the security of a stalwart friend and ally like Israel, especially given Iran's efforts to build a nuclear weapon coupled with its apocalyptic threats against the world's only Jewish state.
You would think the President of the United States would implicitly understand that we and Israel have common cause where it concerns Iran, the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism.
But such considerations do not matter to this President.
As President Obama sat impassively while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was justifying Israel's existence I sighed with resignation. What can we really expect of a President who is prepared to talk with Iran without precondition but will not guarantee Israel's security without precondition?
Yet President Obama has made it quite clear the United States will not lift a finger for Israel unless it brings about a Palestinian state. That is the precondition.
Now one can make the case that U.S. support for a Palestinian state began with President Bush. However, President Bush made it clear to the Palestinians that they could have a state or they could have terror, but they could not have both. President Obama has not drawn such a line in the sand. As Michael Goodwin of The New York Daily News noted, "Obama did not even demand that Hamas recognize Israel's right to exist."
In other words, the Palestinians can have their cake and eat it too.
All things considered President Obama's position is hardly surprising. Consider his statement last week on Sri Lanka, where he placed its democratically elected government on the same moral plane with the Tamil Tigers, which the State Department recognizes as a terrorist organization. Yet in Obama's worldview a terrorist organization has the same legitimacy as a country that observes the rule of law. But then again what can one expect of someone who palled around with Bill Ayers?
Israel must be envious of Sri Lanka. Its government wisely ignored Obama's edict and emerged victorious over the Tamil Tigers, thus proving that terrorism can be defeated militarily. Of course, Israel is not Sri Lanka. The UN Human Rights Council does not make Sri Lanka a permanent item on its agenda. Hugo Chavez isn't closing the Sri Lankan Embassy in Caracas. No one is seeking to expunge Sri Lanka from the face of the earth. Alas, the Sri Lankans aren't Jewish. Israel is hated by the world and Obama knows it.
But even with that knowledge how exactly does the creation of a Palestinian state appease Iran? What makes Obama think that a Palestinian state will make Iran hate Israel any less than it does now? Or does Obama think there will be less of Israel for Iran to wipe off the map?
Yet make no mistake. The creation of a Palestinian state will be an enormous coup for President Obama. Should he bring this about he will be forever adored, celebrated, loved in the headquarters of the United Nations, in the halls of academia, in pubs frequented by young socialists and by kafieh-clad Palestinians the world over. As if Obama doesn't receive enough adulation.
In the end, Israel will meet President Obama's precondition. There will be a large ceremony on the White House lawn. Obama might even break out the Greek columns for the occasion. Netanyahu will shake the hands of both Mahmoud Abbas and Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas while Obama wraps Netanyahu's other arm around his back. Everyone will be smiling.
So what will come in the weeks and months that follow Obama's grand achievement? More rocket attacks into Israel? Will Corporal Shalit remain in captivity with more Israeli soldiers to join him? When Netanyahu complains, Obama will lean on him to make more concessions. Dismantle all Jewish settlements. The rocket attacks continue. More soldiers are kidnapped. Obama tells Netanyahu to make yet more concessions. Tear down the security fence. Suicide bombings happen on the streets of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. The White House tells Israel, "More concessions please."
Meanwhile, Iran will build its bomb and bide its time as to when to deploy it. They will simply wait for the right preconditions.
What makes Obama think that a Palestinian state will make Iran hate Israel any less than it does now?
I guess he is just too young to remember all those movies we saw as kids where to guy in the black jacket and shooters gloves comes into the store and tells the owner he needs protection. That's where Giovani the baker decides he will pay, but just for a few months. The difference is that the Mafia took just a little and they did protect you from other mobsters. It was in the Mafia's interest for you to prosper.
I still can't understand how BHO got 78% of the Jewish vote.
LI Mike
Did you ever hear the story about the scorpion and the frog?
I think I understand the metaphor in this context. I suppose the left is the scorpion, the safe passage offered by the frog is the voting base.
Liberal ideology trumps all other issues. I saw the same trading emails with a liberal evangelical pastor. I really think he ruined his ability to think by trying to compartmentalize and rationalize his conflicting conclusions.
Your point is that it's in BHO's interest for there to be an ongoing conflict that only he can solve, similar to his comment, 'I'm the only one standing between you and the pitchforks?'
I was refering to your Jewish vote question, but it also applies to the black and union vote. My dad was a union guy and nothing you could say would make him change his mind. You are right about the inability to think. The scorpion couldn't think about drowning, he just had to sting the frog because that was his nature.
Lest you forget there is another partitioned area where there is constant fighting. Bad guys are the same but different location. Give up? Pakistan and India. Pakistan was invented just like Gaza is about to be invented. Will it work? Not likely.
Those wanting to dance around the maypole with flowers in their are unable to see the real issues and points in the discussion. Using the Arab argument for Gazans and applying it to Jews all should be able to return to the homeland they held before they were dispossed. You could carry this lunacy further and indicate that every bit of territory ever acquired as a result of warfare or treaty should be returned to the original owner.
Go to Israel some time and look at the Jewish parts of Jerusalem then venture (with a bodyguard)into the Arab quarters. Write down your thoughts on the differences. One has evolved and developed infrastructure and a high standard of living, the other has not.
Where all things will end up is with a military solution since the negotiations will create a monster that neither side can live with. Get ready for the next mid-East war.
That's right Mickey. In 6,000 years of recorded history there has been only one way to have peace and that is to kick the butt of your enemy until they cry "UNCLE!" and leave you alone for a few years. Those that have forgotten the 6 day war are doomed to repeat it.
I think you're right Mickey. The Israelies no longer have the luxury of embracing the concept of limited warfare.
Do Nazisrael supporters do anything elese than whining and crying? Nazisrael gets loads of money from the US taxpayer and misuse it. The so called "achievements" and "progress" made in Nazisrael are lame if one compares them with what a truly laborious people would have accomplished with less than half of that money! US supports Nazisrael in every issue, waste US Taxpayer money with that bunch of leeches and they are petulant enough to say that Obama, one more puppet in jewish hands, is not helping them enough!
Getting a little up tight aren't you, sorry about that.
The last major player on the Mid East front met his end ingominiouosly – sorry about the big words since your are now living a pleonastic life. Could be your demise will be a pleonasm – not of words but of life in death.
You ought to read the details surrounding his demise.
Lighten up – give it a rest.
Why are you hyperventilating?
Perhaps you have had a Transcendental Experience in Walden Pond.
Mr Swanson,
what are you smoking, or are you only inebriated with the fungi in the pages of the holy book? I am not whining, wailing nor crying. I am very happy with the material world that surrounds all of us. I think your mention of being up tight refers to Goldstein, not to me. By the way, despite the fact that I do like many things in Thoreau I am not a transcendentalist.
"Intellectual Conservative is a contradiction, but Foolish Conservative is a pleonasm."
Guillaume
My father taught me many things, but the one that applies to people like you is to tell them "Oh, go piss up a rope!"
YOU gotta go back to the learnin' table so you can keep your metaphors straight. Fungi creates an infectious bacterial illness. The new wine to which you refer gives a deeper meaning to Justice – it keeps the despot from annihilating those who oppose. It also allows you and I together to disagree with civility absent the caustic hatred evidenced by many.
The only way to make it absent some transcendant experience is to be a Rationalist. Rationalists or Pantheists are the most dangerous of all when they spread their vacuous spirit into the material world. Violence and evil flow from their leadership when they wander about in the 3rd world.
The smoke from the holy book gives a little duck in the big puddle the ability to sleep quietly, love deeply and sacrifice extravagently.
Have a good one
Ivan – in the vernacular of the day, it is a fuzzy rope."
Have a good day
According to Ivan people who disagree with the reigning thought here should not interfere. Am I disturbing your collective masturbation, where everyone massages each other ego?
"Intellectual Conservative is a contradiction, but Foolish Conservative is a pleonasm."
Mr Swanson,
for your information:
(1) LSD was first synthesized by Albert Hofmann from ergot, a grain fungus that typically grows on rye. The short form LSD comes from its early code name LSD-25, which is an abbreviation for the German "Lysergsäure-diethylamid" followed by a sequential number.
(2) Lysergic acid is made by alkaline hydrolysis of lysergamides like ergotamine, a substance derived from the ergot fungus on rye, or from ergine (lysergic acid amide, LSA), a compound that is found in morning glory (Ipomoea tricolor) and hawaiian baby woodrose (Argyreia nervosa) seeds.
So my metaphor, as you put it, is correct! May I also inform you that, on the contrary to you, I do not believe in the devil?
"Intellectual Conservative is a contradiction, but Foolish Conservative is a pleonasm."
Didn't pick up that you were talking about LSD. I do have many dusty books going back to 1830, never have gotten an LSD high. I do admire -honetly- your ability to express learnin. Good stuff. Sorry, never had a drug experience to escape reality – what ever that is.
Never thought you did.
Hmmm – no devil and no transcendent man in the sky. This might lead us to a discussion of some intelligent ideas. How about Eastern stuff where the extension of this is that good is bad and bad is good and doing this is subject to how I think.
Universals as in the Const of USA were not necessarily founded upon Moral Absolutes. The ruling class of elites make the decision about morality based upon consensus.
Perhaps if you went back and listened to what the Leader is really saying you might be alarmed enough to get out of the gutter and discover a way to transform the culture.
Gotta go talk to the man in the sky
Be good
Mr Swanson,
no, I do not follow any religion, not even the eastern stuff. Good is good, bad is bad. I believe there are categorical imperatives that are innate to the human being. Though I must admit sometimes it is very hard to distinguish a categorical from a hypothetical imperative.
Now, what about Nazisrael controlling US politics, and never being satisfied? Does anyone think that Obama is not under Nazionist command, and that there is very little difference between him and Bush?
"Intellectual Conservative is a contradiction, but Foolish Conservative is a pleonasm."