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		<title>By: ruminator</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/07/10/this-is-a-black-world-deal-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-78921</link>
		<dc:creator>ruminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have Mr. Swanson&#039;s knowledge of history but I can attest firsthand to the lunacy of fixating on &quot;diversity.&quot; There is a well known American college that has an Office Of Diversity, with, naturally, a sizable staff. The net result has been the gradual marginalization of fields of study that are peculiar to America. One Eastern European teacher says this: &quot;I so looked forward to being in America in order to immerse myself in your culture only to find that you have lost interest in it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have Mr. Swanson&#8217;s knowledge of history but I can attest firsthand to the lunacy of fixating on &#8220;diversity.&#8221; There is a well known American college that has an Office Of Diversity, with, naturally, a sizable staff. The net result has been the gradual marginalization of fields of study that are peculiar to America. One Eastern European teacher says this: &#8220;I so looked forward to being in America in order to immerse myself in your culture only to find that you have lost interest in it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Swanson</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/07/10/this-is-a-black-world-deal-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-78912</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my realm of wanbering about I expressed some thoughts about priinciples of freedom. I used an acrostic.

Ethnicity is good but the diversity direction of our laws and teaching is destructive to the principles of the American Experiment. I come from a very strong ethnic background and the pride in our foreign national heritage.
We celebrated many of our cultural distinctives, as I was growing up. Many of my relatives - now in their 90&#039;s - celebrated our cultural heritage. Our family ties are very strong.

A - A-merican first, ethnicity second. My father could not speak English until he was six. My grandparents spoke a broken English and we had hilarious moments of &quot;murdering the king&#039;s english.&quot; My father and my mother occasionally had tell tale pronunciations of our foreign heritage. I was required to be an American first and to celebrate my heritage secondly.

Diversity has come to America as well intentioned but has drifted into a form of divisivenness which feeds into the hate of one people to another people.

Tolerance has replaced being gracious to differences. Diversity and hate crimes legislation have replaced delight in heritage. Cultural/Ethnic heritage has replaced &quot;E Pluribus Unum&quot;. The present emphasis upon Diversity is epitomized in the reaction of conservatives to the Supreme Court examination ongoing at the present.

Existentialism which found its roots in the early 1900&#039;s as a thriving philosophical mantra finally expressed itself in the visible violence and degradation the revolution of the 1960&#039;s. Those in the position to influence thought have created the Liberal Mentality of what happens in the moment for meaning as &quot;I determine meaning&quot;. Their favorite phrase, &quot;the American People&quot; is used to justify arbitrary law - &quot;the majority, cultural diversity requires... .  The Constitution &quot;is a dynamic document&quot; was an expression used a decade ago in the political discussion. This is most unsettling. 

Rome - 30-350AD did not violently oppose Beleivers for their commitment to God or Jesus being God or there being a Trinity. Rome opposed Christianity because their claim was &quot;there is only one God, and Caeser is not God or a god.&quot; And latent in this hatred of moral abolutes and accountability to a single God who is personally involved in the Universe is found the &quot;i am god, we are gods and i/we know what is good for the American People!&quot;

Liberalism - Progressive Liberals oppose Universals and Moral Absolutes because those who &quot;hold these truths self evident...&quot; expect and demand that all in America be held accountable to a morality which transcends human laws.

Hate crimes is far broader than one race against another motivated by premeditation of antagonism. It is about those who have the power stemming from arbitrary law silencing those who are committed to Moral Absolutes which stem from the higher power called God who has stamped His Image into the Universe. 

Legitimate Diversity has descended into Tolerance for the arrogance of self-rule and now we are facing Hate Crimes Legislation which has transcended the boundaries of Man&#039;s Inhumanity to Man. 

Karis / Shalom 
Aun yong he kay say o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my realm of wanbering about I expressed some thoughts about priinciples of freedom. I used an acrostic.</p>
<p>Ethnicity is good but the diversity direction of our laws and teaching is destructive to the principles of the American Experiment. I come from a very strong ethnic background and the pride in our foreign national heritage.<br />
We celebrated many of our cultural distinctives, as I was growing up. Many of my relatives &#8211; now in their 90&#8242;s &#8211; celebrated our cultural heritage. Our family ties are very strong.</p>
<p>A &#8211; A-merican first, ethnicity second. My father could not speak English until he was six. My grandparents spoke a broken English and we had hilarious moments of &#8220;murdering the king&#8217;s english.&#8221; My father and my mother occasionally had tell tale pronunciations of our foreign heritage. I was required to be an American first and to celebrate my heritage secondly.</p>
<p>Diversity has come to America as well intentioned but has drifted into a form of divisivenness which feeds into the hate of one people to another people.</p>
<p>Tolerance has replaced being gracious to differences. Diversity and hate crimes legislation have replaced delight in heritage. Cultural/Ethnic heritage has replaced &#8220;E Pluribus Unum&#8221;. The present emphasis upon Diversity is epitomized in the reaction of conservatives to the Supreme Court examination ongoing at the present.</p>
<p>Existentialism which found its roots in the early 1900&#8242;s as a thriving philosophical mantra finally expressed itself in the visible violence and degradation the revolution of the 1960&#8242;s. Those in the position to influence thought have created the Liberal Mentality of what happens in the moment for meaning as &#8220;I determine meaning&#8221;. Their favorite phrase, &#8220;the American People&#8221; is used to justify arbitrary law &#8211; &#8220;the majority, cultural diversity requires&#8230; .  The Constitution &#8220;is a dynamic document&#8221; was an expression used a decade ago in the political discussion. This is most unsettling. </p>
<p>Rome &#8211; 30-350AD did not violently oppose Beleivers for their commitment to God or Jesus being God or there being a Trinity. Rome opposed Christianity because their claim was &#8220;there is only one God, and Caeser is not God or a god.&#8221; And latent in this hatred of moral abolutes and accountability to a single God who is personally involved in the Universe is found the &#8220;i am god, we are gods and i/we know what is good for the American People!&#8221;</p>
<p>Liberalism &#8211; Progressive Liberals oppose Universals and Moral Absolutes because those who &#8220;hold these truths self evident&#8230;&#8221; expect and demand that all in America be held accountable to a morality which transcends human laws.</p>
<p>Hate crimes is far broader than one race against another motivated by premeditation of antagonism. It is about those who have the power stemming from arbitrary law silencing those who are committed to Moral Absolutes which stem from the higher power called God who has stamped His Image into the Universe. </p>
<p>Legitimate Diversity has descended into Tolerance for the arrogance of self-rule and now we are facing Hate Crimes Legislation which has transcended the boundaries of Man&#8217;s Inhumanity to Man. </p>
<p>Karis / Shalom<br />
Aun yong he kay say o</p>
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		<title>By: ruminator</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get it. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: Dale Swanson</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/07/10/this-is-a-black-world-deal-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-78905</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate crime laws bring an increased sense of discrimination. A crime agains one of a differenct race is a crime. The internal spirit of the perp is still hatred or corruption.

A crime because of a racial distinction or hatred of it is still a crime of hate. 

Hate crime legislation is not necessary. Identify the internal antagonism in the trial / prosecution and add premeditation or whatever the appropriate word and send the man to prision or exact the appropriate penalty.

The laws only identify the object and the cause of the crime Violence is violence, man&#039;s inhumanity to man is wrong. Racial violence laws are only the door which has swung open for the idea police. Going into recorded history and reading the slide into a demand for silence to opposition is turly frightening.

Arbitrary judicial law is a growing threat to our Democratic Republic. The issue is not about more law but a return to Universals and the Moral Absolutes which flow out of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate crime laws bring an increased sense of discrimination. A crime agains one of a differenct race is a crime. The internal spirit of the perp is still hatred or corruption.</p>
<p>A crime because of a racial distinction or hatred of it is still a crime of hate. </p>
<p>Hate crime legislation is not necessary. Identify the internal antagonism in the trial / prosecution and add premeditation or whatever the appropriate word and send the man to prision or exact the appropriate penalty.</p>
<p>The laws only identify the object and the cause of the crime Violence is violence, man&#8217;s inhumanity to man is wrong. Racial violence laws are only the door which has swung open for the idea police. Going into recorded history and reading the slide into a demand for silence to opposition is turly frightening.</p>
<p>Arbitrary judicial law is a growing threat to our Democratic Republic. The issue is not about more law but a return to Universals and the Moral Absolutes which flow out of them.</p>
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		<title>By: ruminator</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one answered my question, would hate crime laws be acceptable if they were applied equally against all offenders? There are two concerns here, yes? (1) We don&#039;t need extra laws to prosecute this sub-category of crime, and (2) the bigger concern: the people who wanted these laws are particularly untrustworthy.
My thought process was that of the three who murdered Byrd, the two who got the death penalty were outspoken black-haters, therefore the &quot;hate-crime&quot; status puts the charge on a par with murder one, which is logical if you consider that a person who hates a group of people enough to murder one of them at random has premeditated the act. Even though they didn&#039;t know him.
However one weird turn of events was that the driver only got life imprisonment because it wasn&#039;t clear that he was such a racist.
I appreciate these ideas #11-14. Paladin seems to say that a legal system cannot be perfect and one goal should be to avoid doing harm (like hypocratic oath?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one answered my question, would hate crime laws be acceptable if they were applied equally against all offenders? There are two concerns here, yes? (1) We don&#8217;t need extra laws to prosecute this sub-category of crime, and (2) the bigger concern: the people who wanted these laws are particularly untrustworthy.<br />
My thought process was that of the three who murdered Byrd, the two who got the death penalty were outspoken black-haters, therefore the &#8220;hate-crime&#8221; status puts the charge on a par with murder one, which is logical if you consider that a person who hates a group of people enough to murder one of them at random has premeditated the act. Even though they didn&#8217;t know him.<br />
However one weird turn of events was that the driver only got life imprisonment because it wasn&#8217;t clear that he was such a racist.<br />
I appreciate these ideas #11-14. Paladin seems to say that a legal system cannot be perfect and one goal should be to avoid doing harm (like hypocratic oath?)</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Swanson</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/07/10/this-is-a-black-world-deal-with-it/comment-page-1/#comment-78903</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crime committed by one with a malignant spirit is a crime by a malignant spirit. Hatred is one of the most deceptive of emotions. We explain the stirring of the spirit in many different ways. 

In my culture there are acceptable ways to &quot;let it out.&quot; But still hatred is hatred. The hatred manifested by those with a hatred toward a race comes flowing out of the decadence of the human spirit. Crimes against humanity of the benign kind (not outwardly violent) are not as visible to the eye but are from the same inwardly decadent spirit.

Reading some intersting literature as far back as 100BC, I have found the spirit of hatred to permeate all races. One of the first motions of hatred which the human person can identify is to turn away from one with whom you have a disagreement and then when given an opportunity to harmonize the disagreement, to avoid!

Hatred in the Book is the stirring of the spirit against another person. The unwillingness to live in harmony and to be actively opposed so as to inflict discomfort.

Hate crimes laws have only identified one manifestation of the inner corruption of the spirit within man. Hate crimes legislation is an exercise in futility. The &quot;law&quot; only deals with what is measureable or visible. 

Vigorous debate and strong interaction about race issues is needed, but the politically correct have created an environment of fear. Hatred just manifests itself in other ways.

I have ventured into the arena of discussing the use of the race card with those who use the race card, as promoting divisiveness between races. My pilgrimage has been cross cultural and hatred toward other races is not just black and white. But in every corner of the world antagonism toward race is alive and well. The response to my rebuke or my questions has been lively, to say the least.

I brought up the incident mentioned in the leading article for all this interaction. The white guys lamented fairly strongly. The black guys enjoined the discussion with some very colorful comments. &quot;you guys use color to justify violence and then hide behind &#039;hate crimes&#039;&quot; and self defense&quot;

Frequently I mention &quot;the use of race&quot; as a copp-out for excusing personal responsibility. I ask questions pointedly of those living inside the &quot;racial protection thing.&quot;

There are no laws which will curtail racial antagonism. Hate crimes legislation is the shadow of the Power Elite to silence all who are able to think and oppose the State. The bills floating about many legislative bodies about hate crimes are a nite-mare waiting to happen.

These are the shadows of the all pervasive presence of a hostile government. Laws created by subjective thinking lead to totalitarian rule and extreme violence against all opposition. And in the process, loss of freedom, loss of the right to recall without recrimination, the right to impeach. Rather than a defense of human rights the direction of these laws provide the subjugation of an intelligent populace with exaltation of rule by the elite. 

A life is not transformed by law, it is stirred to a deep consciousness of personal failure and the need for Mercy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crime committed by one with a malignant spirit is a crime by a malignant spirit. Hatred is one of the most deceptive of emotions. We explain the stirring of the spirit in many different ways. </p>
<p>In my culture there are acceptable ways to &#8220;let it out.&#8221; But still hatred is hatred. The hatred manifested by those with a hatred toward a race comes flowing out of the decadence of the human spirit. Crimes against humanity of the benign kind (not outwardly violent) are not as visible to the eye but are from the same inwardly decadent spirit.</p>
<p>Reading some intersting literature as far back as 100BC, I have found the spirit of hatred to permeate all races. One of the first motions of hatred which the human person can identify is to turn away from one with whom you have a disagreement and then when given an opportunity to harmonize the disagreement, to avoid!</p>
<p>Hatred in the Book is the stirring of the spirit against another person. The unwillingness to live in harmony and to be actively opposed so as to inflict discomfort.</p>
<p>Hate crimes laws have only identified one manifestation of the inner corruption of the spirit within man. Hate crimes legislation is an exercise in futility. The &#8220;law&#8221; only deals with what is measureable or visible. </p>
<p>Vigorous debate and strong interaction about race issues is needed, but the politically correct have created an environment of fear. Hatred just manifests itself in other ways.</p>
<p>I have ventured into the arena of discussing the use of the race card with those who use the race card, as promoting divisiveness between races. My pilgrimage has been cross cultural and hatred toward other races is not just black and white. But in every corner of the world antagonism toward race is alive and well. The response to my rebuke or my questions has been lively, to say the least.</p>
<p>I brought up the incident mentioned in the leading article for all this interaction. The white guys lamented fairly strongly. The black guys enjoined the discussion with some very colorful comments. &#8220;you guys use color to justify violence and then hide behind &#8216;hate crimes&#8217;&#8221; and self defense&#8221;</p>
<p>Frequently I mention &#8220;the use of race&#8221; as a copp-out for excusing personal responsibility. I ask questions pointedly of those living inside the &#8220;racial protection thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are no laws which will curtail racial antagonism. Hate crimes legislation is the shadow of the Power Elite to silence all who are able to think and oppose the State. The bills floating about many legislative bodies about hate crimes are a nite-mare waiting to happen.</p>
<p>These are the shadows of the all pervasive presence of a hostile government. Laws created by subjective thinking lead to totalitarian rule and extreme violence against all opposition. And in the process, loss of freedom, loss of the right to recall without recrimination, the right to impeach. Rather than a defense of human rights the direction of these laws provide the subjugation of an intelligent populace with exaltation of rule by the elite. </p>
<p>A life is not transformed by law, it is stirred to a deep consciousness of personal failure and the need for Mercy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruminator was stirring the pot to see what bubbles up.  The issue to be faced with &quot;hate&quot; crimes is an objective method to determine the offense.  Current statutes have objective standards, except for the current hate crime statutes.  Why the lack?  Politics!

The bottom line is that rape done by the normal sick individual is just as bad as that done via &quot;hate&quot; as the driving force.  Just another Omessiah entitlement to make the non-producers feel good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruminator was stirring the pot to see what bubbles up.  The issue to be faced with &#8220;hate&#8221; crimes is an objective method to determine the offense.  Current statutes have objective standards, except for the current hate crime statutes.  Why the lack?  Politics!</p>
<p>The bottom line is that rape done by the normal sick individual is just as bad as that done via &#8220;hate&#8221; as the driving force.  Just another Omessiah entitlement to make the non-producers feel good.</p>
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		<title>By: LI Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>LI Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suppose the penalty for assault is 5 years, and the penalty for homicide is 20 years.  At what point would the added hate crime penalty actually cause murders since the prison sentence would be close and you eliminate the witness(es)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppose the penalty for assault is 5 years, and the penalty for homicide is 20 years.  At what point would the added hate crime penalty actually cause murders since the prison sentence would be close and you eliminate the witness(es)?</p>
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		<title>By: Paladin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paladin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruminator, hate crime laws are wrong. Now let&#039;s talk about Byrd and other individual cases. These cases are prosecuted regardless. Why do we need hate crime laws? Is the argument that the laws might help is some case somewhere reason enough to walk down Orwell&#039;s path? 

We say in this country that it&#039;s better that 100 guilty men go free than it is to have one innocent man convicted. Okay, so then isn&#039;t it also better to have one guilty man go free here and there than it is to undermine our whole system of law and go down the thought crime road? 

Besides, any time you add ANY new layer of laws more guilty people will be convicted. So what? It also means more innocent people will be wrongly convicted. The point is that even if hate crime laws lead to a few more guilty people being convicted, it doesn&#039;t even come close to justifying having them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruminator, hate crime laws are wrong. Now let&#8217;s talk about Byrd and other individual cases. These cases are prosecuted regardless. Why do we need hate crime laws? Is the argument that the laws might help is some case somewhere reason enough to walk down Orwell&#8217;s path? </p>
<p>We say in this country that it&#8217;s better that 100 guilty men go free than it is to have one innocent man convicted. Okay, so then isn&#8217;t it also better to have one guilty man go free here and there than it is to undermine our whole system of law and go down the thought crime road? </p>
<p>Besides, any time you add ANY new layer of laws more guilty people will be convicted. So what? It also means more innocent people will be wrongly convicted. The point is that even if hate crime laws lead to a few more guilty people being convicted, it doesn&#8217;t even come close to justifying having them.</p>
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		<title>By: ruminator</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the phrase &quot;hate crime&quot; hate is an adjective!</description>
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