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	<title>Comments on: Is Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Above The Law?</title>
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		<title>By: ruminator</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/07/23/is-henry-louis-gates-jr-above-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-79064</link>
		<dc:creator>ruminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes that&#039;s a relevant question. Kozinski&#039;s view seems to be at odds with disorderly conduct, which states that any offensive speech which would be likely to provoke a violent reaction in an ordinary person in a public place is a violation. (Gates was not in a public place, not at first.) So disorderly conduct law limits free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes that&#8217;s a relevant question. Kozinski&#8217;s view seems to be at odds with disorderly conduct, which states that any offensive speech which would be likely to provoke a violent reaction in an ordinary person in a public place is a violation. (Gates was not in a public place, not at first.) So disorderly conduct law limits free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Ingles</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/07/23/is-henry-louis-gates-jr-above-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-79047</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruminator - A fifth question: Should &#039;mouthing off to a cop&#039; be illegal? It isn&#039;t in the 9th district, at least: http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/27/the-first-amendment-and-insulting-cops/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruminator &#8211; A fifth question: Should &#8216;mouthing off to a cop&#8217; be illegal? It isn&#8217;t in the 9th district, at least: <a href="http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/27/the-first-amendment-and-insulting-cops/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theagitator.com/2009/07/27/the-first-amendment-and-insulting-cops/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ruminator</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/07/23/is-henry-louis-gates-jr-above-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-79043</link>
		<dc:creator>ruminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s why question #40 is interesting: This means that both an elite conservative and an elite liberal will press their advantage to tilt the legal system in their favor. And it&#039;s equally unfair to rank-and-file liberals and rank-and-file conservatives (not to mention the public&#039;s safety).
This question is never discussed because no resolution is envisioned (although it was discussed after the O. J. Simpson verdict).
So it appears that I&#039;m straying off the subject. That&#039;s exactly the point. This question is never the issue, and always the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s why question #40 is interesting: This means that both an elite conservative and an elite liberal will press their advantage to tilt the legal system in their favor. And it&#8217;s equally unfair to rank-and-file liberals and rank-and-file conservatives (not to mention the public&#8217;s safety).<br />
This question is never discussed because no resolution is envisioned (although it was discussed after the O. J. Simpson verdict).<br />
So it appears that I&#8217;m straying off the subject. That&#8217;s exactly the point. This question is never the issue, and always the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: ruminator</title>
		<link>http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/07/23/is-henry-louis-gates-jr-above-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-79041</link>
		<dc:creator>ruminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: post #13 There is a fourth issue: unequal outcomes under equal laws. Gates got to mouth off to a cop and the charge was dismissed, because he is a bigshot. Not just because he&#039;s black.
I&#039;m not saying I know what should be done about it, nor whether anything can be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: post #13 There is a fourth issue: unequal outcomes under equal laws. Gates got to mouth off to a cop and the charge was dismissed, because he is a bigshot. Not just because he&#8217;s black.<br />
I&#8217;m not saying I know what should be done about it, nor whether anything can be done.</p>
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		<title>By: LI Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>LI Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A reasonable take on the situation:

Thomas Sowell
&#039;A Post Racial President?&#039; 

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell072809.php3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reasonable take on the situation:</p>
<p>Thomas Sowell<br />
&#8216;A Post Racial President?&#8217; </p>
<p><a href="http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell072809.php3" rel="nofollow">http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell072809.php3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Ellis Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Ellis Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To paraphrase myself (and actually address the issue I actually addressed in the first place, instead of the endless series of addional issues/distractions offered to dodge, avoid, or mis-direct the issue I originally addressed: &quot;I am not a mindreader&quot;  

This is the sum total of Raymond’s original comments before I offered mine. 

“Sgt. James Crowley said quite another in his incident report http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/03/why_the_police_must_be_videota.php http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20090720_Store_video_catches_cop_bullying_woman.html?viewAll=y “

Now, having offered my comments, Raymond wants to retroactively tell us what he really implied by giving us two links, so as to respond/refute what I actually said about the subject.

It&#039;s an interesting approach. Say nothing of substance, and when challenged, offer the substance we all should have intrinsically understood from the non-substantive comments.

I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To paraphrase myself (and actually address the issue I actually addressed in the first place, instead of the endless series of addional issues/distractions offered to dodge, avoid, or mis-direct the issue I originally addressed: &#8220;I am not a mindreader&#8221;  </p>
<p>This is the sum total of Raymond’s original comments before I offered mine. </p>
<p>“Sgt. James Crowley said quite another in his incident report <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/03/why_the_police_must_be_videota.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/03/why_the_police_must_be_videota.php</a> <a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20090720_Store_video_catches_cop_bullying_woman.html?viewAll=y" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20090720_Store_video_catches_cop_bullying_woman.html?viewAll=y</a> “</p>
<p>Now, having offered my comments, Raymond wants to retroactively tell us what he really implied by giving us two links, so as to respond/refute what I actually said about the subject.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting approach. Say nothing of substance, and when challenged, offer the substance we all should have intrinsically understood from the non-substantive comments.</p>
<p>I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Jackson - To paraphrase &quot;The Princess Bride&quot;: &quot;You keep using my words. I don&#039;t think they mean what you think they mean.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Jackson &#8211; To paraphrase &#8220;The Princess Bride&#8221;: &#8220;You keep using my words. I don&#8217;t think they mean what you think they mean.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick - Your alternate history is curiously missing a key fact: Gates did, in fact, produce ID - even Crowley&#039;s police report confirms that. To keep it relevant, let&#039;s retain that fact and see what happens.

&lt;i&gt;When the officer, Sgt. James Crowley, insisted on ID that showed the address of the home, the man, who was black, began calling the officer, who is white, a “racist.”&lt;/i&gt;

The man &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; produce ID at that point. It does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; show that he&#039;s a resident at the home, however. The other man similarly cannot verify that he&#039;s a resident either. The officer arrests both for trespassing, and then...

Oh, wait. That doesn&#039;t make the point you were trying for. I see why you went with your version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; Your alternate history is curiously missing a key fact: Gates did, in fact, produce ID &#8211; even Crowley&#8217;s police report confirms that. To keep it relevant, let&#8217;s retain that fact and see what happens.</p>
<p><i>When the officer, Sgt. James Crowley, insisted on ID that showed the address of the home, the man, who was black, began calling the officer, who is white, a “racist.”</i></p>
<p>The man <i>does</i> produce ID at that point. It does <i>not</i> show that he&#8217;s a resident at the home, however. The other man similarly cannot verify that he&#8217;s a resident either. The officer arrests both for trespassing, and then&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, wait. That doesn&#8217;t make the point you were trying for. I see why you went with your version.</p>
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		<title>By: milbrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>milbrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A study of this situation reveals three issues for discussion;

1.	A difference of ‘class’ as opposed to a difference of race. “You sir, are nothing more than a ‘public servant’ while I am a Harvard Professor. Your station sir; is subservience!” Professor Gates believes his analysis of this situation is inherently superior just by comparing the difference of the parties ‘achieved’ stations in life.

2.	As a member of a recognized, previously aggrieved race; Professor Gates’ belief is that he cannot possibly be anything other that the ‘wounded’ party here. Such a mindset almost automatically confers upon Professor Gates the ability to say absolutely anything he wishes. Any statements he makes cannot be racist because a minority cannot commit racism. They may voice the most revolting rhetoric with impunity, because they are just venting frustration at their perceived continued exploitation at the hands of the ‘white man’. In fact, one may actually state that such a system exists where the ‘aggrieved’ party may literally spin the vitriol to unimaginable heights, while the targeted party’s only choice is to accept all without any comment. 

3.	The conclusions reached in items one and two confers upon Professor Gates, in his own mind, that he cannot possibly over-step any boundary. His lofty status as a Harvard Professor, coupled with his membership in the most bona fide of victim’s groups; demands that he push the envelop in this confrontation. It has now become his job to ‘take down’ this white public servant and put him irrevocably in his proper place. So certain is he of his dual status, that he believes he will verbally browbeat this man into complete subservience.

A white police officer requiring identification from a black Harvard Professor on his own property! Truly a ‘teachable’ moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A study of this situation reveals three issues for discussion;</p>
<p>1.	A difference of ‘class’ as opposed to a difference of race. “You sir, are nothing more than a ‘public servant’ while I am a Harvard Professor. Your station sir; is subservience!” Professor Gates believes his analysis of this situation is inherently superior just by comparing the difference of the parties ‘achieved’ stations in life.</p>
<p>2.	As a member of a recognized, previously aggrieved race; Professor Gates’ belief is that he cannot possibly be anything other that the ‘wounded’ party here. Such a mindset almost automatically confers upon Professor Gates the ability to say absolutely anything he wishes. Any statements he makes cannot be racist because a minority cannot commit racism. They may voice the most revolting rhetoric with impunity, because they are just venting frustration at their perceived continued exploitation at the hands of the ‘white man’. In fact, one may actually state that such a system exists where the ‘aggrieved’ party may literally spin the vitriol to unimaginable heights, while the targeted party’s only choice is to accept all without any comment. </p>
<p>3.	The conclusions reached in items one and two confers upon Professor Gates, in his own mind, that he cannot possibly over-step any boundary. His lofty status as a Harvard Professor, coupled with his membership in the most bona fide of victim’s groups; demands that he push the envelop in this confrontation. It has now become his job to ‘take down’ this white public servant and put him irrevocably in his proper place. So certain is he of his dual status, that he believes he will verbally browbeat this man into complete subservience.</p>
<p>A white police officer requiring identification from a black Harvard Professor on his own property! Truly a ‘teachable’ moment.</p>
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		<title>By: nick adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry -
“But the officer believed the homeowner was you,” police officials replied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry -<br />
“But the officer believed the homeowner was you,” police officials replied.</p>
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