Comments on: White Ignorance, Black Guilt, and the Politics of Race http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:00:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Chief_Cabioch http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-87236 Chief_Cabioch Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:42:05 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-87236 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121856786326834083.html the Link to the WSJ article....a Must read, if you seek the truth... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121856786326834083.html

the Link to the WSJ article….a Must read, if you seek the truth…

]]> By: Chief_Cabioch http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-87234 Chief_Cabioch Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:30:56 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-87234 here is the Voting record, it clearly shows, Republicans PASSED The bill, democrats didnt want the bill to pass, as is shown by the vote count by party, and region. By partyThe original House version:[12] Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%) Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%) Cloture in the Senate:[13] Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%) Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%) The Senate version:[12] Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%) Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%) The Senate version, voted on by the House:[12] Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%) Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%) [edit] By party and regionNote: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states. The original House version: Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%) Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%) Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%) Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%) The Senate version: Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%) Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%) Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%) Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%) 61% of democrats voted for it, 80% of the minority party (repubilcans) voted for it....yet Blacks side with the party that still Hates them...they just changed tactics here is the Voting record, it clearly shows, Republicans PASSED The bill, democrats didnt want the bill to pass, as is shown by the vote count by party, and region.

By partyThe original House version:[12]

Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[13]

Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version:[12]

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[12]

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)
[edit] By party and regionNote: “Southern”, as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. “Northern” refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

61% of democrats voted for it, 80% of the minority party (repubilcans) voted for it….yet Blacks side with the party that still Hates them…they just changed tactics

]]> By: Chief_Cabioch http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-87233 Chief_Cabioch Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:25:45 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-87233 ruminator, and all on this blog, please read an Article by the wall street Journal, "The Missing 52 Years of democratic History" the concept republics and conservatives were behind racisim should be put to rest after reading this article, infact just the oposite was true, infact the Republican Party was formed to abolish slavery in 1854, is main goal was to end it, the 64 civil right act was ONLY Passed because or the Majority of republicans who voted on that bill, democrats had a poor record on that voting, and if necessary I will post those numbers, Blacks have been lied to by democrats for years, and it should behjove them to know the truth of the party they seem to see as their friend, when infact democrats havent switched ideologies, only their spots.... ruminator, and all on this blog, please read an Article by the wall street Journal, “The Missing 52 Years of democratic History”

the concept republics and conservatives were behind racisim should be put to rest after reading this article, infact just the oposite was true, infact the Republican Party was formed to abolish slavery in 1854, is main goal was to end it, the 64 civil right act was ONLY Passed because or the Majority of republicans who voted on that bill, democrats had a poor record on that voting, and if necessary I will post those numbers, Blacks have been lied to by democrats for years, and it should behjove them to know the truth of the party they seem to see as their friend, when infact democrats havent switched ideologies, only their spots….

]]> By: Chief_Cabioch http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-79448 Chief_Cabioch Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:31:54 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-79448 http://hats392.blogspot.com/ http://hats392.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Chief_Cabioch http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-79447 Chief_Cabioch Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:30:24 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-79447 Here are some useful statistics, that show who is doing what. these are demographics of the Bush Gore Election Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota Number of States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29 Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000 Bush: 2,427,000 Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million Bush: 143 million Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1 Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years. "Clearly those with Liberal Democratic Voting have a Vested interest in Keeping those Government checks coming. Here are some useful statistics, that show who is doing what.

these are demographics of the Bush Gore Election

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota

Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29

Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore’s territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…” Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

“Clearly those with Liberal Democratic Voting have a Vested interest in Keeping those Government checks coming.

]]> By: Chief_Cabioch http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-79446 Chief_Cabioch Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:24:37 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-79446 ruminator, the Self discipline of a Moral person is what is missing, we no longer have the Morality, it's been incrementally erroded away by Liberals, and Humanists, leaving us with the unbridled Greed we see today, Ethics are no longer a Concern, and neither is the Backlash of the Consituents they face, The current Administration is proof, nealy half the immidiate Cabinet are Tax evaders one is a Marxist, and at least One has a Communist background By the Way, I dont see "Educated" Blacks....I mean "Educated", not those who "believe" they are smart, like Gates, voting for Democrats,... Pelosi and Reid are facing removal from office, is that deterring them? not on your life, the ends justify the means, and, at the risk of sounding "Fatalistic", obama is setting the stage for his "Extension" to remain in office, much like Ted Kennedy is manipulating the Massachusetts laws for his replacement, One cannot assume, obama is going to "go quietly", at the end of his term...in 4, or 8 yeas...I simply dont believe he'll go. and to me the question still goes unaswered, the Democrats did all they could to stifle Blacks, so they reward that party by giving it more power over them? the fact much of it took place in the south is only part of the story, the fact remains, Blacks keep making Bad choices, and they side with the (their)enemy, which simply makes NO sense to me... to assume because the South is now mostly Republican has little bearing, when Blacks vote as a block for Democrats, ...geography is moot now, Blacks support the party that tried to all but eliminate them, so what presumed "Advantage" exists in voting as for Democrats?...what is the democratic party doing for Blacks? besides enslaving them to Debt ? ruminator, the Self discipline of a Moral person is what is missing, we no longer have the Morality, it’s been incrementally erroded away by Liberals, and Humanists, leaving us with the unbridled Greed we see today, Ethics are no longer a Concern, and neither is the Backlash of the Consituents they face, The current Administration is proof, nealy half the immidiate Cabinet are Tax evaders one is a Marxist, and at least One has a Communist background

By the Way, I dont see “Educated” Blacks….I mean “Educated”, not those who “believe” they are smart, like Gates, voting for Democrats,…

Pelosi and Reid are facing removal from office, is that deterring them? not on your life, the ends justify the means, and, at the risk of sounding “Fatalistic”, obama is setting the stage for his “Extension” to remain in office, much like Ted Kennedy is manipulating the Massachusetts laws for his replacement, One cannot assume, obama is going to “go quietly”, at the end of his term…in 4, or 8 yeas…I simply dont believe he’ll go.

and to me the question still goes unaswered, the Democrats did all they could to stifle Blacks, so they reward that party by giving it more power over them? the fact much of it took place in the south is only part of the story, the fact remains, Blacks keep making Bad choices, and they side with the (their)enemy, which simply makes NO sense to me…

to assume because the South is now mostly Republican has little bearing, when Blacks vote as a block for Democrats, …geography is moot now, Blacks support the party that tried to all but eliminate them,

so what presumed “Advantage” exists in voting as for Democrats?…what is the democratic party doing for Blacks?
besides enslaving them to Debt ?

]]> By: ruminator http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-79445 ruminator Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:44:26 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-79445 Chief, you are talking as though my "geography" response in post #24 were a response to your posts #17 and 22 (which make the same point, as does #25) rather than a response to post #16 (which I stated that it was.) Your question was this: how can contemporary African Americans warm up to the party that practiced segregation and oppression? My answer was that these tensions and adversarial things happened because the South was mostly democratic, and that's where the concentration of slavery was, that that's where tensions were greatest, in the aftermath of the war. But that was long ago. Then I gave a theory about why today, not only the black people whom you describe are democratic, but others whom any of us might even respect could also be inclined to vote democratic. If you comprehend my point, disputing it would be more interesting than just repeating yourself. Chief, you are talking as though my “geography” response in post #24 were a response to your posts #17 and 22 (which make the same point, as does #25) rather than a response to post #16 (which I stated that it was.)
Your question was this: how can contemporary African Americans warm up to the party that practiced segregation and oppression? My answer was that these tensions and adversarial things happened because the South was mostly democratic, and that’s where the concentration of slavery was, that that’s where tensions were greatest, in the aftermath of the war. But that was long ago.
Then I gave a theory about why today, not only the black people whom you describe are democratic, but others whom any of us might even respect could also be inclined to vote democratic. If you comprehend my point, disputing it would be more interesting than just repeating yourself.

]]> By: ruminator http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-79444 ruminator Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:44:57 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-79444 The point of post #24 is that while capitalism may be the most moral economic system ever conceived, the "gasoline" in the engine of capitalism is not reverance for morals, but self interest. So the enterprising, self-reliant African American of today (unless one believes there are no such individuals; I don't)hopes to get ahead through sustained effort, but still sees an advantage in voting democratic, unless he already has a pretty good income. The point of post #24 is that while capitalism may be the most moral economic system ever conceived, the “gasoline” in the engine of capitalism is not reverance for morals, but self interest. So the enterprising, self-reliant African American of today (unless one believes there are no such individuals; I don’t)hopes to get ahead through sustained effort, but still sees an advantage in voting democratic, unless he already has a pretty good income.

]]> By: Chief_Cabioch http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-79442 Chief_Cabioch Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:02:13 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-79442 ruminator, perhaps the geographical location may play a part, the Biggest single Issue to me, is that Blacks have "Demanded" government services, Housing, food stamp, education, and they choose to remain Uneducated, and choose Drugs, because they can make more money selling them than they can working a Legitimate job, the "Rejection" of Educated Blacks,...Condolesa Rice, Clarence Thomas. Walter E. Williams, should be proof the Values of Blacks is flawed, they Covet Jessie Jackson, and Al Sharpton,...both are nothing but Thugs, who attach themselves like Leaches to any "Cause" that brings them Lime Light, and Media Attention, and when NOT infront of Cameras blasting White America....are off Busy Fleecing Toyota, and Brewing Co's with threats of Racial Litigation.....once againg, going after the Easy Dollar....instead of Breaking a Sweat. Education is the Single biggest factor in the Blacks condition, unless, and Until Blacks choose the Hard path of Hard work, like some really Sharp ones...Walter E. Williams being a good example, Blacks plight and direction will be much the same. ruminator, perhaps the geographical location may play a part, the Biggest single Issue to me, is that Blacks have “Demanded” government services, Housing, food stamp, education, and they choose to remain Uneducated, and choose Drugs, because they can make more money selling them than they can working a Legitimate job,

the “Rejection” of Educated Blacks,…Condolesa Rice, Clarence Thomas. Walter E. Williams, should be proof the Values of Blacks is flawed, they Covet Jessie Jackson, and Al Sharpton,…both are nothing but Thugs, who attach themselves like Leaches to any “Cause” that brings them Lime Light, and Media Attention, and when NOT infront of Cameras blasting White America….are off Busy Fleecing Toyota, and Brewing Co’s with threats of Racial Litigation…..once againg, going after the Easy Dollar….instead of Breaking a Sweat.

Education is the Single biggest factor in the Blacks condition, unless, and Until Blacks choose the Hard path of Hard work, like some really Sharp ones…Walter E. Williams being a good example, Blacks plight and direction will be much the same.

]]> By: ruminator http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/comment-page-1/#comment-79439 ruminator Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:08:22 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/08/19/white-ignorance-black-guilt-and-the-politics-of-race/#comment-79439 Re: #16: Isn't this a matter of geography (the traditional "solid democratic south"?) As for today: Example 1: Let's say you're an unprepossessing black American born around 1980 (there are many of these) who believes that black people in America really don't have much of a chance at success and have legitimate entitlement to some amount of government enacted "redistribution of wealth." You're one of the socialists that depresses conservatives. You vote for Obama. Example 2: Or you're an unprepossessing black born around 1980 who believes he has a pretty good chance at success if he works hard, plans well, takes care of his health, relationships, etc. and is shrewd enough to exploit every opportunity/advantage (excluding anything illegal). You're a democrat who thinks like a conservative. You also vote for Obama. The second person becomes a republican in twenty years, maybe. Just theorizing. Re: #16: Isn’t this a matter of geography (the traditional “solid democratic south”?) As for today:
Example 1: Let’s say you’re an unprepossessing black American born around 1980 (there are many of these) who believes that black people in America really don’t have much of a chance at success and have legitimate entitlement to some amount of government enacted “redistribution of wealth.” You’re one of the socialists that depresses conservatives. You vote for Obama.
Example 2: Or you’re an unprepossessing black born around 1980 who believes he has a pretty good chance at success if he works hard, plans well, takes care of his health, relationships, etc. and is shrewd enough to exploit every opportunity/advantage (excluding anything illegal). You’re a democrat who thinks like a conservative. You also vote for Obama.
The second person becomes a republican in twenty years, maybe.
Just theorizing.

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