You can't have an honest debate with a dishonest partner.
There are only two reasons why any sane person would want to debate another human being.
The first is to articulate and support an honest position. This means vigorously promoting and defending a particular point of view. But, just as significantly, it also means acknowledging where one's argument is weak, misleading, or just plain wrong in light of alternative information. The key word here is "honest," not "defend," since the main purpose of this exercise is to pursue Truth, not win a debate by any means necessary.
The second reason is the antithesis of the first. The pursuit of victory, not knowledge, is the motivating force behind the debate. As cold, calculating, and completely amoral as it is to prefer winning to the Truth, it's still a mark of sanity to debate this way. Defense attorneys do this all the time. Courts are not the arbiters of Truth, but rather the dispensers of Justice. Justice is about following procedures where the guilty go free because evidence is improperly collected. Thus, it's a perfectly rational outcome to set an obvious murderer free rather than establish a system whereby innocent people are improperly imprisoned. "Rational" doesn't mean "Right"; it simply means that the action isn't arbitrary. The legal system is about following rules to their logical end. It's the rules, not the "end," that drive the conversation.
Personally, I can accept either paradigm as a legitimate way to debate. Either the person with the better facts and analysis wins, or the person who follows the established "rules" the best wins. What I can't abide by are those people who mix the two and create a Third Way: namely, argue the facts when they have the facts, and when their position doesn't hold up, switch to arguing the rules (usually ones they themselves create) instead of the facts.
The best example I've seen of this lately is a new DNC ad about President Obama's Czars. Released on the same day that Robert Gibbs maintained, with a straight face, that there are no Czars in the Obama administration, just "advisors" — contrary to his, the President's, and other Administration officials' repeated use of the term — it shows Glenn Beck railing against the Obama Administration's Czars by showing pictures of the Bush Administration's Czars.
This is a classic example of the Third Way I described above. When the charge is raised that the Obama Administration is circumventing the Constitution by creating a panoply of Czars, (a) deny they are Czars . . . just "special advisors" (as if the only issue is what they are called), and (b) say that "Bush had as many, if not more Czars anyway!" In doing this ignore the crux of the issue that is driving the debate. Unlike a "Czar" that oversees Hurricane Katrina operations, or helps to focus national Drug policy, many of Obama's Czars have authority equal to that of Cabinet secretaries. They control budgets in the billions of dollars, and are accountable to no one but the President. Moreover, instead of serving in discrete areas for limited amounts of time throughout a president's term of office, they've been put into virtually permanent positions right from the beginning of the Obama administration.
People can debate whether the Auto Recovery Czar (who is different from the Car Czar) is as powerful as the Climate Czar, who is responsible for developing greenhouse gas policies (which is different from the Energy and Environment Czar, who coordinates energy and environmental regulations policy), and so on, and so on. But only someone who is dishonest in their analysis would suggest that these folks are essentially doing the same kind of thing — in quantity, and quality — as previous administrations' Czars.
If I take home a ream of paper from the office for my kid to draw pictures on, and Mary Beth in Accounting embezzles a million dollars from the company pension fund, we both technically are thieves. But only someone who is dishonest (or a fool) would argue that both actions are morally equivalent. The Patriot Act was not the same thing as the suspension of Habeas Corpus under Lincoln. Both are serious laws, though in entirely different ways. But if we can't agree that one actually stripped away Constitutional Rights of U.S. citizens while the other didn't actually do that, then there is no debate, just disagreement.
Disagreement is fine; I do it all the time when my wife and I discuss what movies to watch, restaurants to frequent, and other similar husband-wife exchanges. But what I don't do is equate eating Italian instead of Mexican with not eating at all, or forced starvation. Hyperbolic excesses of the type we've been treated to by both sides of the political aisle serve no purpose in a search for the Truth. They simply allow you to make a point on Monday that you don't necessarily need to support again on Tuesday, if you have another end in mind that you wish to reach. The ultimate upshot of all of this is to shred whatever credibility that person may have, as in the Patriot Act under Bush deliberately strips away our Constitutional protections, but the same Act continued under Obama is, well, probably not the best way to fight terrorism and at some point ought to modified.
The problem with everything I've said so far is that it's likely to fall on deaf ears for those who routinely, and egregiously, practice the Third Way. They have either deluded themselves into thinking that surface similarities are fundamental properties (Bush had Czars, Obama has Czars, it's all the same); or, they don't really care what the truth of the matter is, they just want to press their point-de-jour.
The Tea Baggers, as they have been endearingly labeled, are charged with the latter in pressing the "Death Panel" issue. Their critics maintain that the massive legislation (or should I say, massive legislations, since there is no there there yet) don't mention this phrase, so it doesn't exist. The problem with this argument is that the word "privacy" does not appear in the Constitution, but the Left has no problem seeing it anyway, and making laws based upon it.
My take is somewhat less complicated. I'm old, but not stupid. If it's charged that a proposed piece of legislation will, say, allow illegal aliens to be covered the same way U.S. citizens are covered, I first look for that language in the bill. When I find that precisely the opposite exists — that illegals are expressly excluded —I'm heartened. Heartened, but not satisfied, if other language exists that forbids anyone from checking on the legal status of an individual receiving these services.
Like I said, I'm old, not stupid. A non-enforceable restriction is not a real restriction. My spidey-sense is further heightened when several amendments aimed at clarifying this issue are defeated (whether it's illegals, abortion, end of life care, etc.). Assurances that the provision does/doesn't really exist mean little when attempts to clarify the matter are expressly rejected.
This is how an issue is actually analyzed, and honestly debated. But it isn't what you see taking place in Washington or the mainstream media. That's simply noise disguised as a reasoned approach to the issue. It's just a convenient way to cover up the Truth to pursue a hidden agenda, rather than lay the facts of the matter clearly on the table and reach a principled conclusion.
The sad fact is that, no matter how hard we strive, all of us will have a bit of the Third Way in our analysis. Preconceived notions about politics, a specific issue, or life in general will necessarily color our judgment. That's part of what it means to be a human being.
But acknowledging this doesn't mean we surrender any sense of honesty in debate just to bloviate about our favorite position. You don't argue about the existence of God by constantly referring to what particular religions say about God. The two issues are related, but not the same. You don't condemn a policy on Monday because it suits your need that day, only to support it on Tuesday because it suits your need that day. You don't abandon common sense because of a hyper-technical definition you've assigned to a matter, as if calling something "X" makes it "X."
Each of the examples above requires us to honestly lay out our fundamental preconceptions and assumptions in a clear, forthright manner. That's the missing piece. People who refuse to address the fundamental issues associated with their position will never engage in honest debate. Doing this won't automatically produce agreement, but it will produce clarity. One might "honestly" believe that the fundamental issue about Czars isn't their authority and longevity under Obama vs. Bush, but rather the fact that both Bush and Obama had "Czars."
If so, let the stupidity of that position be on full parade.If the purpose of debate is to seek answers instead of bloviate, then the debate has served a genuine purpose by illustrating the utter vacuity of that line of thought.
If a line of reasoning doesn't pass the smell test, it deserves to be rejected. You get to this point by forcing each side to address, honestly and forthrightly, the underlying assumptions behind their positions. That's where the real debate should be taking place today, not on the surface features of a proposed policy.
Understand what really motivates another person to hold their position, and you know everything you need to know to form a judgment.





































This just goes to show what happens when you open Pandora’s seven-sided box. ‘Czar’s’ were extra-Constitutional to begin with. For once, I have to agree with something posted at Huffington’s; that is, the whole ‘czar’ craze has been ‘un-American’ and smacks of autocracy (see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-reardon/what-is-this-czar-busines_b_149915.html ).
Counter-pundits are wrong that Reagan gave us our first putative ‘czar’, though his does mark the beginning of a period of regular czar designations. That, dubious distinction goes to FDR who had 12 so dubbed, each of whom wielded real power; including the power to set prices, ration resources, and distribute monies to favored groups. Nor was it Reagan who created the position of drug czar (Senate did) over his objection. Even so, it set a precedent that the President could delegate some of his executive role to others at very high levels. Bush I increased the number of such advisors designated ‘czar’, as did Clinton. Clinton, however, expanded the role to include advising others beside the president, starting with Hillary. Late in his administration, Clinton also began the practice of giving non-Congress authorized czars real power (semi-permanence, order activities, oversight, spending authority, &c). That also set a precedent. Bush II did not expand the role further, but didn’t exactly roll it back to the Reagan model either. He also greatly increased the number of such jobs. Obama is unique for creating these czars at the very outset of his administration as if they were positions in need of filling, rather than the ‘get-in, get-out, get-the-job-done’ tasks previous Whitehouse occupants made of them. Obama defenders carp Bush II had more (32 v 31), but keep in mind that was 32 czar positions over 8 years versus Obama’s 31 in just his first seven months. Most of Bush’s added czars served a few months to years with the positions retired at the end of each assignment. Creating these jobs at the start suggests little intention they will go away while Democrats rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars
Very interesting. In reading about the Third Way, I was reminded that as children we argued that way. It took education and training to show us the proper way of debate. But you negelect the Forth Way. That is the one used when you know the truth, you know the rules, but you deliberatly stand up behind a teleprompter and tell untruths and break the rules because you think the people will not be able to tell that you are lying. This method, when detected, makes people mad! But then, maybe that’s the goal?
P
Excellent article again.
Bob & Ivan: Good comments.
I would note that we lawyers have an expression:
When one is wrong on the facts, argue the law;
When one is wrong on the law, argue the facts;
When one is wrong on the facts & the law, pound the table.
My favorite annoying jerk in an argument is the one who pounds the table figuratively by asking seriously, a la Rush Limbaugh’s parody, “but what about the childun?”
Or “What about the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free?”
This type of argumentum ad misericordiam can be very effective at bar-B-Qs & cocktail parties where listeners do not want to be thought compassion-impaired.
And then there’s argumentum ad pomum ad arantiam (apples to oranges). The Dems count the total, repeat total, number of rotating czars in eight Bush years vs. the 30 czar positions already created in eight months by Obama. And some Bush “czars” were approved by the Senate & all were vetted by the hostile MSM which went out of its way to show that one of them had put Mary Jane’s pigtail in the inkwell in the 4th Grade. Does anyone think that Bush would’ve been able to put in any extremist nuts like Van Jones? But say don’t let me get in the way of a good Glenn Beck search & destroy mission. People like him are the real problem now preventing Healthcare & Middle Eastern harmony.
And, P, Point of Order:
When you say that illegals are expressly excluded, though the exclusion is, of course, unenforceable, I must say about even that exclusion: up to a point, Lord Copper. Except for unenforceable vouchers in Section 246, HR 3200 bill does not exclude illegals from any part of national health care, including the taxpayer-funded health insurance plan. This is explained clearly in many places, most succinctly, I think in Ann Coulter column of 9/16:
http://www.anncoulter.com/
Finally, robotic talkingheads & sanctimonious pests at cocktail parties/Bar-B-Qs were fond of repeating the mantra “47 million uninsured”. Based on an unofficial survey they have now adopted the new party line “30 million uninsured”. Jonathan Swift said it well. You cannot reason someone out of a position he has not been reasoned into.
I see two choices about these folks’ 47/30 position: 1) it’s due to lack of education or awareness beyond the MSM, or (2) it’s intellectually dishonest; usually I feel it’s number two.
Ivan:
Your Fourth Way is Dr Goebbels’s Way. Keep repeating the Big Lie & it will become accepted. Dem talkingheads on FOX always seem to begin their point about healthcare as follows “We need Healthcare (or insurance) reform now with 30 million uninsured Americans….”. At this point neither the Republican opponent nor the FOX moderator bothers to correct ‘em.
Actually, I’m surprised that Obama didn’t say “57 million of the people in the 57 states are uninsured”. ☺
Ah yes, Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Head of the German Ministry of Popular Enlightenment. Today he would be called a Czar.