Comments on: Happy Kwanzaa! http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/ Conservative and Libertarian Intellectual Philosophy and Politics Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:00:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Patrick Mulligan http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-81001 Patrick Mulligan Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:22:29 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-81001 Arrivederci "Prince Will". Feel free to let yourself out when you sober up enough to find the door. Arrivederci “Prince Will”. Feel free to let yourself out when you sober up enough to find the door.

]]> By: willtell http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-81000 willtell Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:13:39 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-81000 Farewell "maulana Mulligan", enjoy your xkwanmasszaa! (Don't run, just walk out with a firm step, that everybody shall understand your leaving.) Farewell “maulana Mulligan”, enjoy your xkwanmasszaa! (Don’t run, just walk out with a firm step, that everybody shall understand your leaving.)

]]> By: Patrick Mulligan http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-80999 Patrick Mulligan Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:26:52 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-80999 No you! No you!

]]> By: willtell http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-80998 willtell Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:25:32 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-80998 Xmass is a man invented hol which served to a political purpose in the past steeped in the ugliness of anti-semitism and anti-paganism. Sounds like kwanzaa, not? PS. I am offended by xianity, both historically and familiarly. Lots of people chose death with honor, to not kneel to the crucified-idol-god. Xmass is a man invented hol which served to a political purpose in the past steeped in the ugliness of anti-semitism and anti-paganism. Sounds like kwanzaa, not?

PS. I am offended by xianity, both historically and familiarly. Lots of people chose death with honor, to not kneel to the crucified-idol-god.

]]> By: Patrick Mulligan http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-80997 Patrick Mulligan Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:53:50 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-80997 Quite the contrary, I've just grown tired of answering the same argument since you have done nothing but restate your original contention 3 or 4 different times and continually divert the discussion to irrelevant tangential issues that have nothing to do with anything I've said or the original text I wrote. You're arguing against a strawman so there's not much reason for me to stick around and referee. All holidays are "man invented". I don't know where you got the idea that I or anyone else believed otherwise. Who made the invention and the reasons for the invention are what make Kwanzaa unique as a "holiday", for the many reasons already discussed. Save your juvenile attempts at antagonism for an IRC channel raid or something where it would be appropriate. I've got my own grown-up issues with Christian philosophy and ideology, so it doesn't impress me much. By the way, it's a little early for Happy New Year, isn't it? Knowing how offended you are by Christianity, I trust you don't celebrate the New Year holiday based on the calendar of Pope Gregory XIII. Julian New Year is the 14th. Quite the contrary, I’ve just grown tired of answering the same argument since you have done nothing but restate your original contention 3 or 4 different times and continually divert the discussion to irrelevant tangential issues that have nothing to do with anything I’ve said or the original text I wrote. You’re arguing against a strawman so there’s not much reason for me to stick around and referee.

All holidays are “man invented”. I don’t know where you got the idea that I or anyone else believed otherwise. Who made the invention and the reasons for the invention are what make Kwanzaa unique as a “holiday”, for the many reasons already discussed. Save your juvenile attempts at antagonism for an IRC channel raid or something where it would be appropriate. I’ve got my own grown-up issues with Christian philosophy and ideology, so it doesn’t impress me much.

By the way, it’s a little early for Happy New Year, isn’t it? Knowing how offended you are by Christianity, I trust you don’t celebrate the New Year holiday based on the calendar of Pope Gregory XIII. Julian New Year is the 14th.

]]> By: willtell http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-80995 willtell Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:16:05 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-80995 Patrick, since you can’t sustain your point of view any longer, knowing that xmass is just a man invented hol, as kwanzaa also is, which served to a political purpose in the past steeped in the ugliness of anti-semitism and anti-paganism I will take your final argument that, as a xian believer you don’t feel at ease to question the pillars of your faith. I think that Ron Karenga would have behaved as you do, if one were to discuss the seven pillars of kwanzaa with him. Happy new year! Patrick, since you can’t sustain your point of view any longer, knowing that xmass is just a man invented hol, as kwanzaa also is, which served to a political purpose in the past steeped in the ugliness of anti-semitism and anti-paganism I will take your final argument that, as a xian believer you don’t feel at ease to question the pillars of your faith. I think that Ron Karenga would have behaved as you do, if one were to discuss the seven pillars of kwanzaa with him. Happy new year!

]]> By: Patrick Mulligan http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-80993 Patrick Mulligan Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:41:09 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-80993 I don't want to just keep having the same discussion with you. I think my last few comments already addressed why I think the comparison of the two holidays is weak and a discussion of comparative religion irrelevant to the the topic. I don’t want to just keep having the same discussion with you. I think my last few comments already addressed why I think the comparison of the two holidays is weak and a discussion of comparative religion irrelevant to the the topic.

]]> By: willtell http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-80988 willtell Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:06:13 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-80988 Patrick, kwanzaa is a foolish hol, so as xmas was. The difference is that the passing of time has made xmas institutional. I wonder when did your probable ancestors abandon their celtic gods to embrace a religion, so arrogant, that claims to have presented the universal messiah? I would rather do the kiddush hashem than converting to old-kwanzaa, or xianity, as you call it. Patrick, kwanzaa is a foolish hol, so as xmas was. The difference is that the passing of time has made xmas institutional. I wonder when did your probable ancestors abandon their celtic gods to embrace a religion, so arrogant, that claims to have presented the universal messiah? I would rather do the kiddush hashem than converting to old-kwanzaa, or xianity, as you call it.

]]> By: Patrick Mulligan http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-80987 Patrick Mulligan Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:29:34 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-80987 Haha, Ironically enough, the way in which I meant that Christianity has so heavily influenced modern Western society is by imbuing it with an altruistic moral code that has so easily allowed it to transition to collectivism, socialism and democratic totalitarianism - values that embody the antithesis of private property, liberty and economic capitalism. And given the modern state of the empires that embraced Islam, I have severe doubts about how well it would have been secularized in Europe under the same or similar circumstances as Christianity. But as I said, that's neither here nor there. This article was about the history of the founding of Kwanzaa, not the relative value of Christianity to Western civilization or the legitimacy of the Christmas holiday. Whether you recognize Christmas or not, Kwanzaa's nature is repugnant and the only reason it is given any legitimacy is because of ignorance of the history of the holiday by the general public and the religious institutional dedication to political correctness in America. Haha, Ironically enough, the way in which I meant that Christianity has so heavily influenced modern Western society is by imbuing it with an altruistic moral code that has so easily allowed it to transition to collectivism, socialism and democratic totalitarianism – values that embody the antithesis of private property, liberty and economic capitalism. And given the modern state of the empires that embraced Islam, I have severe doubts about how well it would have been secularized in Europe under the same or similar circumstances as Christianity. But as I said, that’s neither here nor there. This article was about the history of the founding of Kwanzaa, not the relative value of Christianity to Western civilization or the legitimacy of the Christmas holiday. Whether you recognize Christmas or not, Kwanzaa’s nature is repugnant and the only reason it is given any legitimacy is because of ignorance of the history of the holiday by the general public and the religious institutional dedication to political correctness in America.

]]> By: willtell http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/12/15/happy-kwanzaa/comment-page-1/#comment-80980 willtell Mon, 04 Jan 2010 23:46:20 +0000 http://www.intellectualconservative.com/?p=7164#comment-80980 Patrick, what I mean is that the west would still be the west no matter what religion it adopted. I dare to say the xianity got more from western culture than the other way around. For example, if Charles Martel did not stop the muslims of getting into Europe, then islam would be european, and sufficiently altered to embrace our humanist values, such as private property, freedom of thought and pursue of happiness. Patrick, what I mean is that the west would still be the west no matter what religion it adopted. I dare to say the xianity got more from western culture than the other way around. For example, if Charles Martel did not stop the muslims of getting into Europe, then islam would be european, and sufficiently altered to embrace our humanist values, such as private property, freedom of thought and pursue of happiness.

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